Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tkinzy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 09:46, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Tkinzy

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A tricky one seeing as a WP:BEFORE would give you hits but all hits are on Nigerian gossip blogs & announcement of a new song of his. Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources hence falls short of WP:GNG. Fails WP:NACTOR, WP:SINGER & WP:ANYBIO. Perharps a case of WP:TOOSOON. Celestina007 (talk) 19:52, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep I don't want to assume that these sources are not reliable just because I do not recognize them, , as it may just be it's a cultural difference. If it can be shown that at least one is not a RS, please ping me and I'd be happy to change my !vote. With that said, the subject does not meet WP:MUSICBIO and certainly not actor, but seems to meet GNG based on these sources. The remainder of the sources were blogs, forums, passing mentions or otherwise insufficient to help meet GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * haha You arent Nigerian neither have you lived in Nigeria for the past 20+ years like I have, you are doing your duties as such no one can blame you for mistaking as a reliable source. Nigerian WP:RS are my forte & I can tell you without any doubt that it is a gossip blog. Few examples of Nigerian RS you should look out for are, but not limited to The Punch, The Guardian (Nigeria), Vanguard (Nigeria), The Sun & Nigerian Tribune. If you view the second keep !vote rationale you would see they have no sufficient understanding of what notability is & have tried to hide under your shadow(rationale) plus he is the creator of the article and also operates a gossip blog himself & i’m not surprised he’d use gossip blogs to substantiate notability claims. I’m here to answer any questions if you require me to.Celestina007 (talk) 22:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm not Nigerian (nor do I need to be to weight-in here) but prove it's not a RS. It's not listed at WP:RSN. I don't see an editorial policy or staff, so that is suspicious, but I'd like to hear what makes you think it's not a RS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * they have no reputation for fact checking & veracity of information & ultimately do not have any editorial oversight. It is blog generated by a single individual named Uche who focuses & discusses high societal weddings predominantly. So seeing her discuss subject of our discussion is quite suspicious per se.Celestina007 (talk) 23:06, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Please get it listed at RSN then. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:08, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * will do. Thanks for the message at my TP I really needed that.Celestina007 (talk) 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep These sites Bella Naija and Trent Online , are very popular Nigerian newspapers and lifestyle magazines, not gossip blogs as erroneously stated. Even a cursory look on these two sites will show that their coverage extends beyond entertainment to politics and more. The gossip blogs mentioned are South African. Also, the subjects of gossip blogs are mostly celebrities, no? Wikimayor (talk) 22:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment—, As you are the creator of the page !voting a keep is no surprise to me. Now Both Bella Naija & Trent online are not reliable sources as per WP:RS they are gossip blogs. Furthermore implying (from your statements above) that gossip blogs discuss celebrities hence subject of our article should be notable because he is a “celebrity” that has been discussed in gossip blogs shows a gross lack of knowledge on what constitutes notability as per WP:GNG none of those unreliable gossip blogs even discuss subject of article with in-depth significant coverage. Furthermore I have observed from the statement you made on your Userpage that you yourself operate a Nigerian gossip blog which can be observed here Ha! No wonder. Also deleting the fact that you are a Nigerian blogger from your user page here days after this AFD was opened is definitely a suspicious move & a very curious case & you yourself going back to insert it here after I have pointed out the fact that you removed it few days after this AFD was opened gives out the impression that you did it purposefully to confuse participants in this AFD & probably think this collaborative project is a mere game for fun & that invariably means you probably are not here to build an encyclopedia. Celestina007 (talk) 22:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. A Google search of him doesn't show him being discussed in reliable sources. The subject has not done anything in the African music industry worth talking about. What hit songs has he released? What notable awards has he won? Which of his music releases have been critically reviewed? Can the people voting keep answer these questions?  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 00:28, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete: Unfortunately my vote only adds to the wildly varying opinions here already. The subject certainly does not pass the notability standards for an actor. I'm a little conflicted, however, about his notability as a musician, tending towards him not being notable enough yet, and the sources I found come from BellaNaija, which has already been discussed above as to reliability and of which I have no opinion in that respect. Dflaw4 (talk) 05:33, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 22:42, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and improve per . I believe he passes notability requirements as a musician. I do not understand 's arguments against the sources already cited, simply claiming to be Nigerian is not enough to establish or disprove a source's reliability, or the notability of an individual, for the same reason that an English editor's word could not be taken as proof of a British magazine's reliability or a British musician's notability. Additionally, a cursory Google Search turned up more sources such as Blazon Magazine and The Sowetan (which is apparently a major South African publication, see: The Sowetan). News Ghana also appears legitimate, and there are mentions of him there. Finally, The Trent Online appears as though it could possibly be reliable, although I do not recognize it. I was able to find these fairly easily, so I can only assume that the sourcing used by the editor who created this page was a result of their lack of diligence, rather than a lack of sources. Granted, these are sources which report on and are heavily geared towards Africa and African countries, but the purpose of Wikipedia is to include globally sourced information, rather than merely local or regional publications from the US/Europe.IphisOfCrete (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the sources identified in the preceding post above which show significant coverage in multiple reliable sources so that WP:GNG is passed and deletion is not necessary, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:54, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:12, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Subject is not notable. Doesn't pass either WP:MUSIC or WP:GNG as they've not been sufficiently discussed by reliable sources., here is a link of reliable sources from Nigeria. Mahveotm (talk) 09:06, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep When it comes to foreign sources, I prefer to err on the side of caution and assume they are reliable unless there is solid evidence otherwise; I do not think it benefits the Wikipedia to have a bias favoring western culture. I looked up News Ghana, and they have over 25 thousand Twitter followers, so they seem to be fairly significant. Samboy (talk) 16:30, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


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