Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toa (Bionicle) (4th nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Bionicle. A very selective merger from the history remains possible.  Sandstein  08:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Toa (Bionicle)
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No evidence this fictional species passes GNG/NFICTION. Sources are primary/in passing (wikia, lego product pages, blogs...). Minor language controversy can merit a mention in some article about language activism or such, but does not seem sufficient to warrant keeping this piece of WP:FANCRUFT as a stand-alone article. Also related: ongoing Articles for deletion/List of Bionicle characters which is indicated as a parent article to this one. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  06:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  06:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 19:18, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Articles for deletion/List of Bionicle characters was closed as clear consensus to delete, so the recommendations for merge are moot. and, you may wish to revisit.
 * Delete No evidence of notability, fails WP:GNG, the controversy can be easiy described in the main Bionicle article.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Character lists are acceptable spin-off articles to keep main articles from growing too large. The Banner  talk 16:40, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not Wikia. It is not dcedicated to covering every fictional franchise into the smallest of minutia. There are not sources to justify this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:55, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. No particular problem with the article. gidonb (talk) 23:06, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Outside failing few core policies like WP:GNG and WP:V, no, not really... lol. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:51, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a spin-off of List of Bionicle characters. It could be merged into the main but that article is already very long plus also AfDd. Merge discussions are best held using "merge to"/"merge from" functionality. In this case it would allow a holistic view of content domain, instead of these scattered discussions. gidonb (talk) 12:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. As clearly stated above, I'm clarifying once more that my position is keep. I'm twice quoted below as supporting a merge. Not at all. That said, I would welcome a deeper non-time-sensitive discussion on how to best organize the entire content. gidonb (talk) 19:19, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The individual characters listed here are no more notable than the ones listed in List of Bionicle characters. However, the general concept of Bionicle Toa is, so it should be merged to Bionicle. J I P  &#124; Talk 19:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Bionicle would theoretically be the next target in line however I disagree that a merge is needed. More likely the information on the entire character list, including this central subset, was spread out too much. Our documents often became too wordy. Editors tend to add information by asking if they know anything else rather than by asking if something is missing. That annoys the glance readers who then claim it is lifcruft because this was in their sample. I believe that a deeper and broader discussion can do wonders. Often these are started after a closure as keep. Not sure how this will close but I always support what works best for Wikipedia. gidonb (talk) 21:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, the article fails WP:GNG, with there being only one source that might constitute progress towards notability. It being a split is not a reason to keep, because this mass of unverifiable fancruft should not exist anywhere on Wikipedia. Even if sources are found, this is a situation where WP:TNT would definitely apply. Devonian Wombat (talk) 08:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of Bionicle characters.  D r e a m Focus  17:47, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:46, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. While some suggested a merge with List of Bionicle characters, well, Articles for deletion/List of Bionicle characters ended as delete few days ago, so... no valid merge target. And that was a parent of that list. Ping editors involved in that AfD since we just got relisted due to no consensus: User:JIP, User:Sergecross73, User:Zxcvbnm, User:TTN, User:Dream Focus, User:Devonian Wombat, User:Videogameplayer99 and User:Gidonb. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:47, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Bionicle is a valid merge target, but only for the general information about the concept of Toa. The massive pile of fancruft about the individual characters can be deleted. J I P  &#124; Talk 17:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - In light of this Articles for deletion/List of Bionicle characters I would go delete then. GizzyCatBella  🍁  08:47, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - massive article of in-universe, fictional content that is the type of stuff appropriate for Wikia, not here. I’m rather surprised this is still being debated, this is the sort of thing that is routinely deleted. Sergecross73   msg me  13:34, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Bionicle but only the lede, "Production" and "Fictional history" sections, with the last heavily shortened. We don't need a 70-kilobyte load of in-universe fancruft about the individual characters. J I P  &#124; Talk 17:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.