Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toba Tek Singh (short film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Toba Tek Singh (short film)

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Non-notable short film. Coverage of the short story, and of the adaptation of the story into a play, but nothing of the short film. Fails GNG and WP:MOVIE. Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 16:48, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:46, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I oppose the deletion. Why the article is to be deleted if it not meets any guidelines then it can be improved for the same. But as you called it a non-notable short film, I want to tell you that Toba Tek Singh (short story) is not a minor work by Saadat Hasan Manto that the film made on it is minor or non-notable. I've added a reference proving that the name exists in short films. And you can check youtube, there is another full short film uploaded of the same name made in the 90s by the Doordarshan. I want to create an article for this in-90s one too. Please tell me clearly what I have to do to save it from being deleted? TariButtar (talk) 00:41, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to sound silly, but the best chance you have is to read WP:N and WP:GNG. Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 00:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh it's so long, i understand much of it, but now, please clearly tell me what exactly I've to do or add to the article to save it? TariButtar (talk) 04:53, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It may be long, but it has all the answers. My summary is this: The subject must be notable.  To prove this, you must find, and add to the article, references to reliable sources that discuss this film with "non-trivial" coverage.  A reliable source is one that checks facts before publication, and typically has editorial oversight (so one person writes an article, and another person edits and approves the article for publication).  The sources so far in the article are trivial coverage of the film.  "It was shown at a college campus" is not an indicator of notability.  Was it reviewed by critics?  Was it's filming documented by any press?  Has it won any awards?  These are all things that show notability.  Without notability, the subject does not meet our standards for inclusion.   Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 13:46, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I would recommend Delete please, without offense to anyone. I think that an article should be instead made on Saadat Hasan Mantos short story, 'Toba Tek Singh' which is indeed famous, and the film mentioned therein; or maybe, a section added on the story on the Manto 9writer) article and the film also mentioned therein. The main thing is, the Film ISNT REALLY NOTABLE but the SHORT STORY IS. Thank you, and best regards, AsadUK200 (talk) 05:52, 3 May 2012 (UTC)AsadUK200
 * Redirect to the film's director, Afia Nathaniel, and then encourage that THAT article itself be improved. Short films usually have a difficult time showing notability. In this instance, at least the director appears to have some sourcability, and a mention of one of her films within her article makes sense.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 08:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable film. I can't find a single independent reference to the film. The original short story by Manto is indeed notable but we already have an article on that. That article is very basic for such an important story and I encourage TariButtar and other editors to expand that article rather than work on this one. --regentspark (comment) 12:55, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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