Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toby-Alexander Smith


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Some argument has been made for notability but there is general consensus that this is TOOSOON. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Toby-Alexander Smith

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Smith does not meet WP:NACTOR. DarkGlow (talk) 13:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - this article has no references and does not meet WP:NACTOR. Soaper1234 - talk  14:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is supposed to be based on reliable sources, not twitter, instagram and IMDb.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:36, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, the article is currently poorly referenced, but he is a series regular on a major TV show, and there are numerous news items about him in the role. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:26, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Weak Keep: The subject needs at least two significant roles in notable productions, as per WP:NACTOR. His role in EastEnders certainly counts as one, but I can't see any others—unless it can be shown that the production of Mamma Mia! he was in was notable. Ssilvers, you have voted to "Keep"—have you found any coverage on that production? Dflaw4 (talk) 07:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Smith played a smaller role in Mamma Mia!'s long-running London production, but he understudied Sky, a bigger role. He also performed on television in the Laurence Olivier Awards broadcasts in 2013 and 2014.  The article doesn't mention his concert at the Palladium, which could be added.  Since 2016, he has been guest-starring steadily on TV.  His role in Doctors in 2018 was the leading role of the episode on which he guest-starred.  EastEnders is his first role as a series regular, but it has drawn interest, and it seems seems silly to delete the article when, objectively, it is almost certain that he will have more significant TV roles.  I'd say that this is a case where the letter of WP:NACTOR should bow to the general spirit of the notability rules. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: Based on Ssilvers' comments, I have upgraded my vote to a "Weak Keep", despite the article being a little bit on the WP:TOOSOON side of things. Dflaw4 (talk) 12:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:36, 13 April 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buidhe 17:20, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is WP:TOOSOON.
 * He just started on the show in 2019, and although it seems like a popular show, he doesn't even appear in the EastEnders page as a listed character (or on the Mamma Mia! page as an actor).
 * I don't think it means much that he was an understudy for a main part in Mamma Mia!; that doesn't make him notable.
 * Having a concert also does not confer notability.
 * Notability requires significant coverage in reliable secondary sources; a lot of his news references feel like tabloid (see WP:SBST).
 * If his career picks up and he gets more notable parts, then an article in the future might be warranted, but delete for now. Ikjbagl (talk) 02:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


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