Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Today with Pat Kenny


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Today with Pat Kenny

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Non notable radio shows, I can't find anything on Google to suggest they are particularly notable radio shows. I'm sure I have seen a guideline somewhere regarding shows like this, but I can't find it anywhere. Anyway, I feel they fail WP:N. Jenuk1985 |  Talk  00:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC) 
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 * Keep Both articles are obviously in need of expansion and more diverse sources, but both programmes are in the top 10 listened-to radio programmes in Ireland; a very quick Gsearch found the Irish Times and the admittedly primary-source-ish (although quoting the JNLR survey, which is the audience-counting standard for radio in Ireland) RTÉ verifying figures for the last survey period. Obviously I appreciate that more rounded articles based on more than just crude numbers should appear, but the articles have only been in existence for less than 24 hours, so possibly time should be given for expansion. Notabilty tags aren't expensive. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 19:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Keep Notable enough. COuld always be boldly merged to RTÉ Radio 1. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Quick note on News at one: really should be moved to title such as "News at One" (RTÉ radio) or something along those lines. Technically it isn't called "RTÉ News at One" and generates a lot more ghits if RTÉ is included outside the title. But regarding merging: both are notable in their own right. Haven't had much of  a chance to expand the articles, but one problem I have in the time I have given to looking for online sources regarding the early days of either programme is trying to wade through all the thousands of passing mentions. Another problem, with the News at One especially, is trying to find the online equivalents of the paper sources I know exist (I've read them :)). For example, the programme, when it was launched in the 60s, was the first news programme on Irish radio of its type, rather than a straight news bulletin and has been regarded as the model for later programmes; there is a brief mention of the fact in an obituary of the man credited with the introduction of the programme, but there are much more detailed paper sources out there.  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 18:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Addendum Just a quick clarification: It was called "News at One-Thirty" before the mid-80s, but same programme. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 18:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
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