Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Todd Herzog


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Nomination withdrawn. Liz Read! Talk! 07:27, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Todd Herzog

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Even with reliable sources, I have concerns about the article's compliance with the whole WP:BLP, including WP:BLP1E. Furthermore, being notable for also his Dr. Phil appearance as recovering alcoholic besides his win in Survivor: China makes me wonder whether it follows (the spirit of) BLP. Furthermore, the subject's accusation toward the production company of Dr. Phil (about giving away a vodka bottle and a Xanan pill) speaks WP:BLPGOSSIP.

Speaking of BLP1E, I'm unconvinced that his Survivor win suffices to save this article from either deletion or redirection to Survivor: China. I'm also unconvinced that appearing in Dr. Phil also makes him notable. Even if the Dr. Phil appearance does, I'm skeptical that such "notability" would comply with BLP policy.

Furthermore, I'm unconvinced that both the win and Dr. Phil appearance disqualify him as a "low-profile individual". Moreover, non-notable or low-profile people appeared in Dr. Phil as recovering alcoholics, and there's not one Wikipedia article about any such individual. George Ho (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Television,  and Utah. George Ho (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NOTTEMPORARY. Besides the RS already included in the article, I found more, including 1 and 2 from The Salt Lake Tribune, Newsday, People, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, etc. I think George Ho makes a good point about the BLP gossip. That should probably be removed.  APK  whisper in my ear  03:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SUSTAINED, an article about low-profile individual whose notability is based on only one event should be generally avoided. Furthermore, Newsday is a tabloid. Also, the other sources you mentioned covered him in only the context of his Survivor: China win, and they were published around the time when his win was originally broadcast. Also, even notability alone may not guarantee a standalone article per WP:PAGEDECIDE. George Ho (talk) 07:03, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Newsday isn't a tabloid like the NY Post.  APK  whisper in my ear  07:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting although there is some confusion over whether WP:BIO1E or WP:BIO1E WP:BLP1E might apply to this article. Previous AFDs may have closed as Redirect but editors here are arguing for a Keep. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:36, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. BLP1E does not apply to a winner of Survivor, as it only applies If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented.. There may still indeed BLP issues to fix up here. &mdash;siro&chi;o 04:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Siroxo. Okoslavia (talk) 04:32, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry to disappoint you, but more than ten articles about individual winners have been redirected to their respective season pages per that policy, and two other such articles were deleted. Even the standalone list of the winners was deleted per AFD. George Ho (talk) 06:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you perhaps thinking of the similar-looking WP:BIO1E? &mdash;siro&chi;o 07:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I really hope BIO1E applies if BLP1E doesn't. George Ho (talk) 08:32, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, note that there is no WP:BIO2E. Even if we apply BLP policies to take more care with the coverage of the Dr. Phil stuff, this individual is still notable for 2 distinct events, so WP:BIO1E would not apply either. If you or other editors think a merge into a survivor article improves the encyclopedia, the talk pages where folks more acquainted with the territory can discuss over a longer-than-7-day period are probably a better location for that. &mdash;siro&chi;o 07:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * As I must rephrase what I said in my nomination, his notability for his Dr. Phil appearance is called into question. The Dr. Phil show itself may be notable, but most (if not all) individual episodes themselves aren't. Even the appearance itself isn't that notable, despite news coverage. But... whatever. I can't change your mind further. George Ho (talk) 08:32, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect I don't think it's a BLP1E, he was on Survivor for more than one episode. I'd redirect to the Survivor article. Oaktree b (talk) 02:13, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yet he appeared in only the whole China season. How are all of China episodes separate events? Why not count all of the episodes as just one event? Oh, and why not WP:BIO1E if not BLP1E? George Ho (talk) 02:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know, he didn't do one thing, like grow a large grapefruit, he appeared in a series of tv episodes, multiple things together. Oaktree b (talk) 02:57, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: Definitely passes BLP1E. ɱ  (talk) 02:45, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per many of the arguments above. His notoriety extends beyond just Survivor. Bgsu98   (Talk)  02:46, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Additionally, neither WP:BIO1E nor WP:BLP1E apply based on my reading of the text. Bgsu98   (Talk)  03:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per the reasons above - It passes the notability standards, the page just needs additional sources and a little clean up.DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 02:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree with everyone else on here and believe that the page should be kept, while I believe that the page needs more sources.
 * Historyday01 (talk) 14:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Is it okay for me to withdraw from this nomination at this moment? Seems that the majority overwhelmingly favors keeping the article. --George Ho (talk) 16:20, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.