Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Todd M. Insler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit  13:35, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Todd M. Insler

 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

Airline union/labor functionary. Only RS are passing mentions in The Independent and Bizjournals. Other available sources are primary, unreliable (Forbes contributor posts), or otherwise doesn't contribute to notability (Bloomberg standard profile page). Vermont (🐿️—🏳️‍🌈) 02:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Aviation.  Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 02:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This wikipedia entry was created to promote Insler in his campaign for Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) President. It is pretty obvious he doesn't warrant a wikipedia page. I would not oppose deletion of the entire entry. Norco3921 (talk) 14:05, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * He is actually an important figure in the labor movement and responsible for thousands of jobs beings saved. That being said, the page is constantly vandalized and should be deleted. Greydog1! (talk) 11:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * His is only important in the labor movement in that he has betrayed it. I can completely understand why a supporter of his or he would describe adding the truth to his wiki page as 'vandalizing' it and would want it deleted now that the truth is being added. Norco3921 (talk) 13:16, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The resolution referred to was out of order. It was libelous and violated both the LMRDA and ALPA Constitution & Bylaws, therefore, it will never be in any official meeting minutes. Since there is no valid source to reference the resolution, it needs to be removed from this Wiki page. Calguppyguy (talk) 02:04, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It was ruled out of order, but the members overwhelmingly overruled the Chair's ruling with a challenge so it was 'in order'. How convenient that you left that out. Perhaps you should brush up on your Robert's Rules of Order. Norco3921 (talk) 13:04, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Resolutions must be permissible under federal labor law. Resolutions which violate the LMRDA are properly ruled out of order. If the body overturns the chair's ruling, it doesn't change the fact that even if the resolution passes it is still in violation of the LMRDA and will not appear in the minutes or be acted on. Robert's rules don't take precedence over federal law. Calguppyguy (talk) 16:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Fortunately, the resolution didn't violate LMRDA and ALPA Constitution & Bylaws, but feel free to cite the specific portions of these regs that you are citing. Otherwise, nice try. Norco3921 (talk) 17:14, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * We're here to discuss the notability of the article on Wikipedia, please take the labour squables elsewhere. Oaktree b (talk) 23:57, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * A mirror resolution was passed in the Houston Local Council. It was not ruled out of order and passed overwhelmingly.  The resolution does not violate the LMRDA and the ALPA Constitution & Bylaws and will be included in the minutes of the meeting.  As the maker of the resolution, I am confident of this information. 96.94.152.89 (talk) 11:51, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


 * This page has been continually vandalized with uncited information. The community has allowed this vandalization and has frozen the page in its vandalized state. VOTE TO DELETE Greydog1! (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Vandalize = telling the truth? Interesting. Norco3921 (talk) 13:22, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Insufficient depth of coverage from reliable sources. 22:00, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete not interested in the brouhaha above in the AfD discussion; I don't see anything reliable on which to create an article. Union functionary and a pilot, that's about it. all I can find is a one line mention in the NYT . Oaktree b (talk) 23:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete this disaster of a PR drivel. Handmeanotherbagofthemchips (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.