Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toei Tokusatsu Universe


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  13:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Toei Tokusatsu Universe

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Purely reliant on WP:OR, WP:SYN, and WP:FAN. Each of these franchises have cross-over specials of their own, but that doesn't mean they're part of a shared universe. The author is using speculation to connect dots to imply a conclusion. Additionally, the author fails to provide reliable sources confirming that these separate series are part of a shared universe, and fails notability. The article is a collection of assumptions and trivia that have no merit, nor supported by reliable sources. This article is just pure wishful thinking. Most of this information can already be found (and supported by verified sources) at the following articles: Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, and Metal Heroes. Armegon (talk) 10:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Armegon (talk) 10:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Armegon (talk) 10:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Comics and animation and Anime and manga. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: That's unfortunate to hear, but I don't agree about many your conclusions. First of all, that's not my original research. I simply mentioned everything I know from exact movies and shows. Secondly, if it's not a shared universe, what it is then? It's true that Toei doesn't promote it as a shared universe. However, regular appearances of characters from past media does nothing but establishes it. Reliable sources are shows and movies (the original material) themselves. And there's no reason to think that for example crossovers aren't cannon. They often continue character arcs, like in crossover movie of Kamen Rider W and Kamen Rider Decade. When for example a show isn't in the main timeline of universe, it is mentioned (although it's still said it's alternate timeline) and when there's no reason to think something isn't part of the universe, for example Kamen Rider Black Sun, then it's stated. I also believe it is very notable, considering notability of all specific media in it. Most of this information also isn't mentioned on Kamen Rider and Super Sentai pages. Please, reconsider and rethink, if you can. Thank you. --Дейноніх (talk) 17:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, official page like this (https://www.toei-video.co.jp/catalog/dstd03686/) mentions «the whole universe», where events of the movie involving all these characters happen. If I will find something else, I will also post it. Дейноніх (talk) 17:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "I simply mentioned everything I know from exact movies and shows." That is the definition of your own original research. It's in complete violation of WP:OR. " It's true that Toei doesn't promote it as a shared universe." If Toei themselves don't call it a universe, then clearly this article doesn't pass notability, per WP:N and WP:NF. "Reliable sources are shows and movies (the original material)", the movies and shows are primary sources. WP:PRIMARY states to use secondary sources because primary sources can be misused and evaluated, interpreted, or synthesized. Which is exactly what you have done. WP:SECONDARY states "Articles may make an analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim only if that has been published by a reliable secondary source," and you have not provided any secondary sources to validate a supposed shared universe. Regarding that Toei Video link, you're seriously overreaching. "Universe" does not automatically mean shared cinematic universe. Based on that plot summary, the word "universe" is used to refer to the fate of the world. Hardly hard evidence to validate a shared universe. Armegon (talk) 18:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see any elementary logic in what you say. Delete it, if you want. Дейноніх (talk) 19:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom - There are no actual reliable sources describing all of these shows as taking place in any kind of shared universe. The page creator, in their argument in this discussion, even stated that "It's true that Toei doesn't promote it as a shared universe. However, regular appearances of characters from past media does nothing but establishes it.", which is pure WP:OR.  Rorshacma (talk) 20:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and comment above as I'm not seeing any evidence on how this isn't WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. As I person who watches anime here I know I can't just pick and choose characters to establish a point on Wikipedia. The characters need to be specifically stated in sources, and the fictional universe must meet notability. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:38, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


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