Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tofiq Musayev (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 23:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Tofiq Musayev
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Subject is a mixed martial arts fighter. Subject fails WP:MMABIO for not having at least 3 fights under tier one promoter (UFC/Invicta) nor hold top 10 world ranking and also fails GNG for fight results/info are routine reports.  Cassiopeia(talk) 03:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  Cassiopeia(talk) 03:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions.  Cassiopeia(talk) 03:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Tofiq Musayev is the champion of a major MMA promotion and was ranked as the top Lightweight outside of the UFC (only losing his spot due to the pandemic and not being able to be active). He holds wins over 4 notable opponents. His page should not be deleted. Champions from other promotions (one championship, pfl, etc.) have wiki pages and they are not as notable as Tofiq. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darbaki (talk • contribs) 05:50, May 28, 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment :Hi, As explain to you on my talk page, Rizin has never been a top tier promotion under Wikipdedia WP:MMATIER guidelines. Secondly, the subject has not yet been ranked world top ten in Sherdog or Fight Metrix and lastyly, I have  yet to find any independent, reliable English source stated the subject has been signed by UFC. Even if he is signed by UFC (by other languages sources), the subject needs to have at least 3 fights under tier one promoter or has been ranked world to ten to be warrant a page in Wikipedia. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes ..<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 02:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Darbaki (talk) 23:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Explain to me how Tofiq is not qualified as notable, when pages like Adriano Moraes, Christian Lee, Angela Lee, Aung La N Sang, Eduard Folayang, Kevin Belingon, Bibiano Fernandes, Xiong Jingnan, Alain Ngalani and Ilias Ennahachi all do not meet this criteria (All fighting under ONE Championship)?


 * Also, Shooto quite literally is a smaller promotion than RIZIN. It holds much historical significance for the sport, but realistically cannot be considered a 'Top Tier' promotion in the industry. DREAM and PRIDE are both organizations who were ran by the same executives/producers as RIZIN and many fighters have fought in all 3 promotions (including RIZIN). Many Bellator fighters have wiki pages, many PFL fighters have wiki pages (despite not meeting that criteria). Darbaki (talk) 23:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Pride hasn't been considered a top tier MMA organization for a decade, so comparisons with it have no significance. The fact that you found WP articles on other fighters that don't meet WP:NMMA falls under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.  Feel free to put those articles up for deletion, but that has no impact on this discussion. Papaursa (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete He fails to meet any of the MMA notability criteria at WP:NMMA. He also fails to meet WP:GNG since he lacks significant independent coverage.  Appearing in databases, rankings, and routine sports coverage do not help meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC) Keep may not meet MMA notability guidlines but he is an athlete in some areas which is worth of having a wiki page. Ubzed (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia (WP), Ubzed! As this is your first edit to mainspace, there are some things you should know.  Deletion discussions are not votes, but rather a discussion of WP policies that support keeping or deleting an article.  The main notability criterion is WP:GNG which requires significant independent coverage from multiple reliable sources.  Independent means it's not related to the fighter, his organization, family, or company.  Significant means that things like interviews, routine sports reporting, and listings in databases are not counted.  There are also notability criteria for athletes at WP:NSPORT.  The one for mixed martial artists are at WP:NMMA.  Unfortunately, Musayev does not meet any of the criteria for MMA fighters and lacks the coverage required by WP:GNG.  Notability on WP has a specific meaning, which can be different than people are used to.  Editor's personal opinions about someone's notability are considered irrelevant here. Papaursa (talk) 20:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails to meet MMA notability or GNG notability criteria.Jackattack1597 (talk) 15:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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