Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tokyo Posse

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was keep (no consensus). Sjakkalle (Check!)  4 July 2005 13:06 (UTC)

Tokyo Posse
This article seems to be about a new toy line that was just announced by the Takara toy company a few days ago. The problem is that it will not actually debut until September and thus makes this article violate Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 12:06, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, the announcement is presumably verifiable. Kappa 14:07, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not a crystal ball.  The announcement is verifiable, but until it comes out, it's Vaporware.  Wikibofh 14:24, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * There's no reason not to cover notable vaporware. Kappa 15:23, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This is no Duke Nukem Forever :)  Wikibofh 17:26, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep This is apparently fact, not speculative fantasy. CalJW 14:35, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Misuse of crystall ball argument must end. Proto 14:44, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, with regrets- Takara (the designers) also made transformers, and these dolls will be sold internationally, so they will conceivably be cared about by people who find anime dolls important (whatever floats your boat I guess). Additionally, the crystal ball argument is a non-starter, because we don't need a crystal ball. This was a big PR announcement by established companies. --Scimitar 15:04, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It isn't out yet, so at present what we have is nothing more than an advertisement, which is imminently deletable.  It isn't even a particularly useful advertisement. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 21:28, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep not available product yet but can and hopefully will be updated as more information about this toy line is released by the manufacturer, I also strongly disagree with the use of the crystal ball argument since this is not about a future event, I can't see any argument other than the fact that there may not be enough information to justify an article. Jtkiefer 23:42, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Week delete, the line hasn't established itself as being notable in any way. Falphin 00:49, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Scimitar, agreeing that crystal ball not apply when a major company makes a significant announcement. If the line is not issued, that too could well be notable as a PR failure for the company. Xoloz 01:33, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Scimitar but without regrets. -- Jonel | Speak 04:31, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete: Look, an annoucement is otherwise known as a news article or an advertisement. Wikipedia is not a newspaper.  Wikipedia does not allow advertising.  So, if this article is going to stay because it describes a product, then delete because the product doesn't exist.  Absolutely valid use of crystal ball argument.  What is so hard about waiting until it exists before writing it up?  We're not trying to scoop anyone, because we're not a news site.  We're a reference work, and one that depends upon verification from other sources.  An article that a company plans to do something is not notable. Geogre 05:13, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete advertising/annoucement for a line of merchandise that hasn't been released yet. Notability not established. Until the dolls are actually produced I can see no reason why this promo should be kept. JamesBurns 09:03, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. As usual, Geogre's argument is spot on. Quale 21:17, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verified, expandable, thus it's a stub.  Almafeta 00:02, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. What Geogre said. This product could die like a dog: there's no way of knowing. --Calton | Talk 01:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * If it "dies like a dog" the article can be updated to reflect that fact. Kappa 22:30, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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