Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tomáš Krystlík


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Indefblocked user and lengthy rant discounted.  Sandstein  20:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Tomáš Krystlík

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The author removed the notability tag without giving a valid reason according to WP:BIO. In the Czech Republic, Tomáš Krystlík seems to be a rather marginal figure without special journalistic or academic achievements. Ioannes Pragensis (talk) 14:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

The author has a single book in the Czech official catalogue of books. The book was published by a company, who produced 2 books this year and 6 books in 2007, only the Krystlík's being about history.

Moreover the article in the Czech WP claims that Krystlík is the editor-in-chief of "internet periodical" CS-magazín. The periodical is here: it has the look of an average blog. The editorial beggs readers who have old copies of the newspaper Lidové noviny to send them to the editor's office... --Ioannes Pragensis (talk) 21:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article's subject appears to have a non-trivial Google presence, albeit one that largely turns up non-English hits. What's there of the current stub, together with his entry on the Czech language Wikipedia, hints at interesting work he may have done. I'd like to see the article get a chance to grow before it gets deleted. Fumoses (talk) 15:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He IS of course an internet-based journalist, therefore the Google hits. And the Czech article has a notability tag for a month or so, without resolving the issue. There are some external links there saying basically "Tomáš Krystlík writes nonsense about history", but nothing more. Which of the WP:BIO criteria should apply here according to you?--Ioannes Pragensis (talk) 15:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think any of the WP:BIO criteria have to apply; none of them seem terribly appropriate for helping English-language editors evaluate the notability of a foreign-language journalist. Which is why the WP:BIO guidelines are just that: guidelines. Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, and we're allowed to use common sense. Common sense, to me, means we let the article get worked on by people who are interested in the subject rather than leaping to delete a potentially interesting article. And that might mean that we might have to let the article continue to exist - oh horrors! - even if the notability tag's been up there for a couple of weeks. Fumoses (talk) 15:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The article has no relevant references and does not claim notability - it would be possible to conduct it even as speedy deletion. The criteria WP:BIO are easily applicable; I speak both Czech and German very well and can easily asses links in both these languages. But there are no links proving notability in the article - only a link proving that Tomáš Krystlík published a book about modern Czech history in a small publishing house specialized on fiction and cookbooks.--Ioannes Pragensis (talk) 17:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The above reads as if you made no effort to look for sources yourself, as Deletion policy, the Guide to deletion, and User:Uncle G/Wikipedia triage all say to do before nominating an article for deletion on grounds of notability. What did you find when you looked for sources yourself? Uncle G (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I used Google and found nothing in the sense of WP:BIO about him - a lot of blogs and e-zines, of course, probably a few articles in serious newspapers, but no sign of above-average journalistic/scientific achievments. It was of course the first thing I did before I placed the notability tag there. I know the deletion policy reasonably well and have no special interest to delete articles here - the opposite is true, it would be nice for me to find something proving the notability of this writer.--Ioannes Pragensis (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2008 (UTC) PS: I placed a more detailed explanation of my findings above.--Ioannes Pragensis (talk) 21:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I can testify that user Iannes Pragensis is on some kind personal vendetta against Tomas Krystlik and his request for deletion has nothing to do with Krystlik's notability or lack of thereof. Problem lays in last Krystlik's book, which is VERY NOTABLE and has all Czech nationalist foaming by the mouth - in short it is very truthful book, but attacks Czech nationalist myths on every page.

I would like to bring to the attention of general Wiki-public following: Czech Wikipedians are making periodic raids on English Wiki and requesting AfD of articles (mostly about living persons) who are not currently "kosher" in Czech Republic. One will submit AfD and other "conspirator" will "vote for deletion". And only-English, non-Czech speaking administrators will always fall for the trick, especially if some "useful idiots" will drone in, too. Want some examples? Vit Zvanovec, de facto founder of Wiki in Czech Republic and for years its administrator and organizing force, is now "banned" from Czech Wiki. He had article (quite justified) about him in English Wiki. It was offending "Czech pride", raid with AfD was organized, article was deleted. More names (and similar stories) available: Tomas Pecina, Yvonne Prenosilova.

Last example is myself - Ross Hedvicek. You can hardly deny me required "notability" and absolutely not on the Internet (google my name, if you do not believe me, 22,900 hits, itr may include some hate pages against me). I am also an author of several books and more than thousand articles. Two of those books, published in Czech Republic, were quite critical to their current regime and I became target of their nationalist revenge. I used to have an article about me in English Wiki too, after one abovementioned raids of Czech Mongols it was AfD'd and deleted. I still have article about me in Czech Wikipedia (full of lies, innacuracies and defamatory language). The paradox is that I would not mind article in English Wiki (I live in the U.S.), it would be very flattering, but I strongly objected against article about me in Czech Wiki. I wanted it deleted. I protested so much that I ended up with "ban for lifetime" from Czech Wiki.

I am claiming that zealots like Ioannes Pragensis (who is Czech)are damaging the reputation of Wikipedia and it should be brought to attention of senior administrators as a simple and rude ABUSE of Wikipedia principles. Ross.Hedvicek (talk) 16:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Seems Notable. But remove all information after: and for a number of czech language magazines. AlwaysOnion (talk) 15:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Closing administrators are not edit-on-demand services. You have as much access to an "edit this article" button as anyone else.  If you see a problem with an article that requires it to be edited, please edit it yourself. Uncle G (talk) 16:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - Absolutely notable. And it is just a personal attack of angry reader of author book. Ross.Hedvicek (talk) 16:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


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