Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Abraham


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The result was   delete. ...and userfied to User:Billy Hathorn/Tom Abraham. Black Kite (talk) 17:45, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Tom Abraham

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Non-notable college football player who went on to become an upstanding member of his community in a small town in Texas. All well and good but WP:NOTMEMORIAL applies in this case. Article is sourced largely to an obituary in a local newspaper. No indication that he meets WP:GNG, and the obituary in the local newspaper isn't sufficient. It's not even clear whether the obituary is editorially independent as opposed to being a paid death notice. Cbl62 (talk) 17:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.Cbl62 (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Cbl62 (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Cbl62 (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Subject is from a prominent family in Hemphill County, TX, whose founding members came from Lebanon. He was a Texas Tech Red Raiders player c. 1930 and 1931 and helped organize the parents club there. His store in Canadian, TX, was regionally known. He was a philanthropist. He was written about in December 1992 in the Amarillo newspaper, but I don't have the exact citation, just a reference to that article in several other Internet stories about him. I think he should be included in Wikipedia; indeed he has been on the board for more than seven years. The article has been revamped with in-line citations, which were not previously there. Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:56, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Billy -- I'm just not seeing the notability, despite your efforts. There is nothing to indicate he was a notable college football player,  And the article is entirely sourced to an obituary from a local newspaper and three entries from find-a-grave which is not even a proper reliable source.  Owning a store in a small town in Texas isn't enough IMO to make him notable.  The fact that his brothers were notable (much of what you've added relates to them) also doesn't suffice to confer notability on him. This article really seems to amount a memorial for a good guy, but Wikipedia is not the place for memorials for every good guy in every small town. Cbl62 (talk) 17:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Non-notable college football player and small-town good guy. This subject satisfies neither Wikipedia's specific notability guideline for college athletes per WP:NCOLLATH (no national awards or records), nor the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG (no significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources).  Among other Wikipedia guidelines, WP:NOTMEMORIAL clearly applies.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note to Closing Administrator - Please offer to userfy the article text for User:Billy Hathorn, so this may be transferred to an appropriate local website in Hemphill County, Canadian or Amarillo, Texas. This content belongs somewhere, just not here.  Thanks, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Reluctant Delete: All those cites to the local paper make me hesitant to say there's not a case for notability, but really this biography is super long for what it is.  A life well-led is not a case for notability, its what we all wish for.  We don't need to invent something huge, win an Oscar, or marry Elizabeth Taylor to have a worthy life.  But like 99% of the world, we won't be on Wikipedia, either.  I completely agree with Dirtlawyer1 about userification.--Milowent • hasspoken  11:20, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Billy has worked very hard at improving the article since it was nominated.  It previously was supported by nothing more than a death notice from a local paper and find-a-grave.  The current form of the article is quite different, and I probably wouldn't have nominated it had it been in its current state.  At this point, I'd have to say that I'm neutral. Cbl62 (talk) 14:12, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Second of a five-part series on four generations of Lebanese-Americans in the Texas Panhandle. Sourced with dozens of newspaper articles, one book, various Internet sites about Canadian and Hemphill County. The Abrahams are the most notable of Lebanese immigrants and descendants in the Panhandle; there are other such families in Texas as a whole. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:34, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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