Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom MacDonald (rapper)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  11:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Tom MacDonald (rapper)

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Rapper does not meet GNG by any stretch of the imagination, let alone NMusic. Trillfendi (talk) 00:13, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:MUSICBIO. AD  Talk 05:48, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:29, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:30, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete: per A7 (specifically ).    SITH   (talk)   20:22, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That’s a good idea.Trillfendi (talk) 20:42, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Note Someone placed a speedy tag on the article while the AFD was ongoing. I've removed it as I feel AFD is a better venue for this.  Point 2 on the page defnining a credible claim of significance contains this language, "If the references within the article discuss the subject . . . then too the A7, A9 and A11 tags should not be applied."  The article lists two references, which do discuss him in substantive ways.  I do not think they meet the threshold for GNG or Musicbio, but they do discuss the subject and thus are enough to make AFD a more appropriate venue than A7. Also, just on general principle, once an AFD has been started imo it's generally better to let it run rather than tag for speedy (with exceptions for truly egregious hoaxes and BLP violations). ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Duly noted. Trillfendi (talk) 17:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep/Comment - I fully understand why this article was nominated as it certainly fails the notability criteria for musicians at the moment. However Tom MacDonald has been making waves and causing a fair bit of coverage as he is one of the few rappers to openly express a conservative/right-wing position through his music. There are a fair bit of sources regarding this (see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5). These citations could certainly be better, and by and large I feel the slightest inclination that the subject might just pass WP:GNG, although the delete !votes certainly have their logic. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 04:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I don’t think those qualify of reliable sources per se; babe.net is really no more than a blog. If we grasp for straws his only “notability” is being chosen as Anthony Fantano’s Worst song of the Year but that’s only a matter of opinion (as he says in the video’s caption). MacDonald is simply a too soon. He has no career to speak of whatsoever. Not even one song of a discography given. This “article” is all of 2 sentences. Living in California isn’t a career.Trillfendi (talk) 04:54, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment As the creator of this article, I think I might as well weigh in. I don't have a strong opinion on whether it should be kept or deleted. My rationale for creating the article was that he was making waves and that people would naturally want to find information about him from Wikipedia, as evidenced by many people searching Google for his Wikipedia article. True, it is very much a stub article, but I figured in time, it would be filled in by people who work on music-related articles (of which I am not one) as his career (presumably) develops.  Ergo Sum  20:45, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This is simply a case of WP:TOOSOON. Trillfendi (talk) 21:06, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:02, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Little if anything to indicate subject passes WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. Could possibly be 'TOOSOON', but, if he is having the impact suggested ('making waves') there would probably be more WP:SIGCOV available. Eagleash (talk) 14:27, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing here passes WP:NMUSIC, and nothing even tries — an IP separately added an unverified claim about his popularity on social media, but it got reverted within a few hours because in addition to being unsourced, "got X number of views on a piece of social media content" is not a notability claim in the first place. And the two references present here are WordPress blogs, not reliable or notability-supporting real media. Yes, this is possibly just WP:TOOSOON, so no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when he actually has a credible notability claim and the correct kind of reliable source coverage to support it — but Wikipedia is not a public relations venue on which aspiring musicians are entitled to have articles for the publicity, so just because somebody is purportedly "making waves" in the blogosphere is not enough. We're an encyclopedia on which achieving something noteworthy comes first and then the Wikipedia article follows, not vice versa. Bearcat (talk) 19:44, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


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