Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommi Hovi


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The result was keep. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 19:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Tommi Hovi
Collectible card players do not meet notability at WP:BIO. No sources cited to substantiate notability outside realm of TG -- User:Malber (talk • contribs) 18:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep For the purposes of WP:BIO, collectible card players are athletes, as the spirit of the guideline is more important than the letter of the guideline. Tommi Hovi is in the Magic: The Gathering Hall of Fame and the first player to ever have two championships on the Pro Tour. What more is needed for notability? There also appears to be no requirement for notability of an athlete outside of their sport. A baseball player only needs to be famous for playing baseball, he doesn't need to do commercial endorsements. Jay32183 18:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and this is at least the 6th time today User:Malber has proposed a Magic player's article for deletion. I believe this may reflect bias on said User's part, and is certainly unfair as if there were a problem with so many members of the group, it would be better to handle them all together than separately. FrozenPurpleCube 19:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:AGF  FrozenPurpleCube... accusing someone of bias is not the best way to make your case.  Besides, multiple noms are preferable to one mass nomination because each of these individuals may have different levels of notability per WP:BIO or different reliable sources to demonstrate their notability.--Isotope23 20:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * reply I assumed good faith with the first few postings, but with Malber's own contributions regarding this issue, I'm inclined to think that he's violating WP:POINT FrozenPurpleCube 22:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment the bigger issue is that this article is completely unverified.--Isotope23 20:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added the official hall of fame profile as a reference, it verifies the basic information and notability. Jay32183 20:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Can a source be provided outside of one published by WOTC? -- User:Malber (talk • contribs) 20:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * CommentWould copies of Scrye and Inquest be acceptable sources to you? FrozenPurpleCube 21:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. Professional collectible card players who earn hundreds of thousands of dollars doing so are notable. Yamaguchi先生 21:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep per discussion at Jon Finkel. Irongargoyle 23:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep passes WP:BIO and is certainly more notable than 95% of people who do. WilyD 13:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, successful professional player of a widely played game. &mdash;ptk✰fgs 15:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep, possible speedy keep, per all previous keeps. Stifle (talk) 18:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


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