Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommies Till I Die


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 23:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Tommies Till I Die

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Contested PROD; article's author deleted prod notice without comment. Article is about an alternative school song written by students of one school; doesn't come close to meeting WP:NSONGS. Delete. Dawn Bard (talk) 20:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:MADEUP, references not available for notability or verifiability. Drawn Some (talk) 20:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong delete - just not notable and already referenced on the school article anyway -- Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I did leave comment regarding the deletion notification, it was on the discussion page for the article though which I believe now is the wrong place. I am new to wikipedia editing, I don't think my lack of experience should influence whether or not the article should be deleted.

I also slightly rewrote the article following the notice, this appears to have been ignored; Tommies Till I Die is a theme which has an accompanying song, and as such should not be bound by the notability regulations for songs. In terms of whether or not the theme is "large" or "famous" enough to warrant its own page, I'd like to start by pointing out that the theme affects more than the students of the school, it also affects the old boys and as it seems set to become an established motto of the school, I can infer that it is likely that thousands of people will be affected by the content, and as such it is not merely a personal article. Furthermore, there are far smaller topics that exist on wikipedia, including one I found using the random page tool concerning Povilas Šarūnas who I doubt many people have heard of!

Most importantly though, wikipedia has a role to fill as a way of passing information from one sphere of one society to many other cultures and situations. If articles are deleted because they are considered not "notable", how will this knowledge and information spread? Moreover, notability is an inherently subjective criterion, and as such though some people may not be interested in this article, I feel and I suspect that most of my school colleagues would agree that this topic has as much right to be a part of the global accumulation of information on wikipedia as many of the 12 million other articles. Thanks. Jaldmn (talk) 20:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia content must be verifiable by independent reliable sources. Wikipedia has guidelines on notablity, see WP:NSONGS. Drawn Some (talk) 21:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, as noted above by Blue Square Thing. Wikipedia is not for things some students just made up on a road trip. I'm not saying that the song isn't relevant to the students of the school where it originated, but it pretty certainly isn't relevant to people beyond that from an encyclopedic standpoint. Furthermore, the article lacks a neutral point of view. JogCon (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As the article states, though this was made up initially on a Rugby tour to Australia it has developed since then. I'd just like to know what wikipedia loses if articles like this are allowed to persist? I can't really see how it can have a negative impact. Jaldmn (talk) 22:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - not established as notable by independent reliable sources. To author - sorry, but read WP:NFT and WP:NOHARM. Wikipedia does not set out to have articles about everything that exists. JohnCD (talk) 08:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete not properly sourced from reliable third party sources. No evidence this is notable to an audience beyond this particular school. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a school history project - there are plenty of places on the web where this material would be appropriate. Wikipedia is not one of them. Sandolsky (talk) 01:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  —-- Avant-garde a clue - hexa  Chord 2  10:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.