Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommy Everidge


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 07:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Tommy Everidge

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Unbundling from Articles for deletion/Jose Diaz (baseball player). Good faith gnews/google search only turned up one article about this player (in his hometown newspaper); the rest are blogs, passing mentions, and stat pages. This alone isn't really enough in my mind to meet WP:BIO, so it comes down to whether a full season at AA meets WP:ATHLETE. Count me in the "weak delete" category. Fabrictramp |  talk to me  15:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  15:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  15:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Week keep I looked too and found mostly "passing mention", except for this from Major League Baseball about him winning "Minor League Baseball Yearly Award for Best Double-A Single-Game Performance (but I also found a forum thread devoted to people who think he sucks as a baseball player). The two combined may be enough to keep, but it might not.  Anyway I am erring on the side of inclusion on this one.--kelapstick (talk) 15:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I had discounted that article because MLB isn't really independent of the subject. The award itself might tip it over to the notability column, though. Depends on how important the award really is.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  17:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That is why I am on the week side of this keep, I figured combined with the local paper interview it was "on the line", and in my eyes the tie goes to the runner.--kelapstick (talk) 17:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Minor League baseball players are under contract with a 'Professional' team, having to be stored in lower class teams, but still 'professional' players with stats. These type of minor league stub can further knowledge of the player by fans in the seats (with Blackberries etc, thus more webhits) or team scouts. WP:ATHLETE and 'people of notability' doesn't take into account that a 'player' and a 'person' of notability are two different things. A 'person' is vague to define. A 'player' of notability, say a minor league baseball player, does have stats and awards to his name sometimes, and these stubs can add perfectly to what Wikipedia was meant to be in the first place!  I have reliable references and always note the stubs accordingly.Gjr rodriguez (talk) 21:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only are some statistic sites just stats on a webpage, they also carry 'history', 'contact information','stadium information', what can be considered "signifigant coverage" with more research available on player beyond just the stats. The websites I reference are more than just a stat site.  The stat sites are referenced for the stat tables, the bio info is from different sources melded and noted accordinglyGjr rodriguez (talk) 21:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 *  Delete Weak keep - Statistics together with a short interview in a local newspaper do not constitute "significant coverage in reliable sources," as required by WP:N. BRMo (talk) 04:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC) Addition of new sources brings this article (barely) above the "keep" line for me. BRMo (talk) 16:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have found a lot of articles and pages that just mention this guys name, and a news article on MiLB.com (not independant) that gave the whole page on his performance last year about his RBI count. What were you searching for to get one result? Borgarde (talk) 12:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Fully professional player who passes WP:ATHLETE. MVP of his team in 2005, Texas League RBI champion last year, and another MiLB award to his name. He was also a Mid-Season and Post-Season All-Star in the Texas League last year. Borgarde (talk) 12:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * comment I don't have a problem with "local coverage" being used to establish notability, but an interview is not independent of the subject. All the information comes directly from Everidge, with no onus on the reporter to do fact checking which is a principle of WP:RS.--kelapstick (talk) 16:03, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - It was my understanding that minor league all-stars were notable per compromises made this past year. Those of us who feel that all minor league players are notable per WP:ATHLETE agreed to back off when those who feel that the minor leagues are beneath their lofty WikiProject agreed to allow minor league all-stars. If these compromises are no longer in place I see no reason why I and others shouldn't start adding dozens of new minor league articles each and every day. Kinston eagle (talk) 23:45, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Any chance you could link to that discussion? I had originally been of the opinion that MiLB All-Stars should be notable, and had been convinced otherwise. If a new consensus changed that, I'd love to see it. (And man, we really need to get something official done on this issue!)-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  23:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * (after E/C)There is nothing that is easily accessible for editors who are not regulars at WP:Baseball (myself included) to see what decisions/agreements have been made with regards to minor league players. The only thing there is to go on is the editor's interpretation of WP:ATHLETE, which is not always consistent, even within WP:Baseball.  The drafted (not adopted yet) notability guidelines are even buried within the project, and are not even linked on the main WP:Baseball page.  Personally I have no problem following whatever guideline (players are notable if they are AAA and/or all-star, even any minor league player) is accepted (even if I don't agree with it), however whatever guideline is adopted also has to be accessible to editors who are not part of WP:Baseball, if nothing else a link to it at WP:ATHLETE.  An editor should not have to dig through a WikiProject's talk pages to find out what agreements have been made in order to decide if they should send an article to AfD.--kelapstick (talk) 00:01, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see last year's discussion at WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines. The discussion reached a consensus, which is now reflected in the revised WikiProject Baseball notability guidelines, that notability for minor league players should be based on significant coverage in reliable sources (that is, Wikipedia's general notability guideline). These guidelines were included on the main WikiProject page for a while; I'm not sure why they were removed from there. BRMo (talk) 02:59, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the discussion I went by, but Kinston eagle seems to have another one in mind.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  16:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


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