Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tomo Miličević


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The result was   no consensus. Fritzpoll (talk) 21:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Tomo Miličević

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I and also User:Nouse4aname, have reverted this page (a couple to times) from an article to a redirect for 30 Seconds to Mars, as the person is just a band member WP:MUSIC. However plenty of IP users (may be all the same user, but the IP address changes) have reverted back to an article, claiming notbility, due to very minor bit parts as an actor. I think we need a concensus if the page should stand, or be fixed as a redirect.  Ron h jones (Talk) 21:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages because another band member of 30 Seconds to Mars, just as non-notable


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 22:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand. Tomo Miličević passes WP:MUSIC criteria. Shannon Leto passes WP:MUSIC criteria and he is also an actor. He has appeared in tv in addition to the band, then that satisfies notability.--Dear87 (talk) 10:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It is very easy to state this, however you must prove it to be true. Please clearly explain which criteria these people pass at WP:MUSIC. Nouse4aname (talk) 08:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Tomo Miličević passes criteria 1, 2; see 30 Seconds to Mars discography, 3; see A Beautiful Lie, 4, 6, 7, 8 and 9; see List of awards and nominations received by 30 Seconds to Mars, 10, 11, 12. Also in the page, there are reliable sources. Shannon Leto passes every criteria.--Dear87 (talk) 14:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This is what I have been trying to explain. Neither Tomo nor Shannon pass these criteria. 30 Seconds to Mars (as a band) has received widespread media coverage, chart hits, awards, tours etc, however, Tomo and Shannon (as individuals) have not. Just because the band that they are members of has achieved these things, does not mean that they as individuals have. Notability is not inherited, and these claims of notability belong only to the band and not to the individual members of that band. Does that make sense now? Nouse4aname (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Then, every page of a musician that plays for a band must be cancel?--Dear87 (talk) 15:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because some members of bands also have individual notability. For example, Jared Leto is a member of a notable band, but as an individual he is notable for being an actor and having several major roles in film and TV. Similarly, Billie Joe Armstrong is a member of several notable bands, owns a record label and is often given coverage in the media that is independent of his involvement with Green Day. It is true that there are some articles that exist in wikipedia that shouldn't be there, but it will take time to find them all and correct them. Nouse4aname (talk) 15:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, Shannon Leto is also an actor. Although he has appeared in some films as minor roles, however he is an actor.--Dear87 (talk) 17:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think everyone is aware of the fact he has had some minor appearances on film and in tv but nowhere near the 'significant multiple roles' required. They add no weight to the article. --neon white talk 18:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

*Keep and expand. This guy passes WP:MUSIC criteria and he is also an actor. He has appeared in tv in addition to the band, then that satisfies notability.--Dear87 (talk) 10:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You cannot vote twice. --neon white talk 21:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete and create a new redirect. Without a doubt redirect Tomo Miličević for failing WP:MUSIC. He also fails to pass WP:GNG as although the band is covered well by multiple reliable sources, the individual is not. The article should be deleted to prevent such easy recreation in future, with well referenced sections merged to the main band article. I believe that Shannon Leto should also be redirected for failing WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG. Although he has appeared in some TV/films, these have been only very minor roles, and under WP:ENT, actors are only considered notable if they have had "significant roles in multiple notable films, television, stage performances, or other productions." Clearly Jared Leto passes WP:ENT and this is why he gets a separate article but the other members of the band do not. Nouse4aname (talk) 07:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Shannon Leto. According to WP:MUSICBIO, "Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article". 30 Seconds to Mars and The Wondergirls seem like notable bands to me. Merge and redirect Tomo Miličević to 30 Seconds to Mars. No "individual notability for activity independent of the band" established. Jafeluv (talk) 20:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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