Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tonga National Tag Team


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The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 23:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Tonga National Tag Team

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Doesn't appear to meet the notability guideline for organisations – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 17:56, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree. I am sure it is a well meaning article but it falls so far short in all respects.  Velella  Velella Talk 19:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:42, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

So does it need to be IMPROVED rather than deleted?? What does it fall so far short of in all respects? I have read the notable guidelines and the delection guidelines, and seems that it would be best to suggest improvement than deletion? ☻Ÿ 03:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sipooti (talk • contribs)
 * Merge to Tonga_national_rugby_union_team. Same argument I provided to the creator when it was deleted originally.  Tag rugby is a variant of Rugby.  As such, this information belongs as a subset of the country's national rugby team article.  Consider Twenty20 cricket as the model: although Twenty20 has an article as a cricket variant, the national teams articles all describe their Twenty20 teams (see West_Indies_cricket_team, Australia_national_cricket_team) - they don't have separate articles.  (✉→BWilkins←✎) 09:38, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sipooti (talk • contribs) 12:47, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone, Bwilkins, you and others have helped me get it to where its at.(IT was terrible at first) Thank you!!... One of the issues I have about merging it to Rugby is that Tag rugby is a variant of Rugby league not rugby union. And even though Rugby league and Tag Rugby are variants of Rugby They are Notable sports on their own. There is an article of Tag rugby on here. The links and references I have provided in the article is to show how this sport Tag Rugby is a Notable sport, despite being a variant. More importantly I have included other wiki links that show  articles of other Tag/Flag football/Rugby National teams.

The other important issue we must understand about Twenty20 a variant of cricket is that the infrastructure of that sport is totally different! Twenty20 and regular cricket co-exist with each other. The same Players contracted for Twenty20 also play regular cricket for their countries in between seasons. In most if not all occassions The national cricket team will also be the national Twenty20 team. Thats why there are no separate articles and is noted under the country's national cricket team page. Even though there is a world cup for Twenty20 now, the same national team is represented because this type of variant to that sport is different. For cricket there is 3 or 5 day tests, 50 overs, and now Twenty20 meaning just 20 overs. It is understandable that Twenty20 and Cricket are merged because it is the same game with the difference of only 20 overs rather than regular 50 overs. Twenty20 has become more popular because it is shorter,faster and big money but the sport is the same with the same players or/and national teams that play.

Can we please look at Rugby and its variant Rugby sevens. Now this variant is a better example of how it stands alone from its "Mother sport" Rugby union and is comparative to how Tag rugby is to Rugby league. Sevens rugby has its own national teams - Different Teams, different players, you actually have to change codes to play one or the other unlike Twenty20 cricket. You cant merge Rugby sevens with Rugby because they are their own bonfired sport with their own national teams New Zealand Sevens and All Blacks, Australia Sevens and Wallabies, Japan Sevens and many other countries. It is the same for Tag rugby. You cannot merge Tonga National Tag Team with Tonga national rugby union team or 'Ikale Tahi or even Tonga national rugby league team or Rugby league because they are all different notable sports with different codes despite the variants.

I cant say why there isint any articles on other national teams, maybe they just havnt been created? who knows? Im creating Nz and Australia tag Teams articles at the moment. (but as guided by some admins and users Im using my sandbox first) I dont have anything to do with the tongan team but I am a big sports fan in a wide range of sports and have very good knowledge of them either bacause I have played Internationally or I follow passionately for many years. I posted the Tonga Tag Team up first because they are the latest addition to the Tag world and there is not only a growing interest in joining this team from Tongans and of Tongan descent around the world but other nations competing against them has had very good competition fromTonga Tag. (Including beating Australia at the Pacific Cup 2012) I thought people googling Tonga Tag could find out more about Tonga's national Tag team in a factual and non biase way. It might not be of interest or impressive enough for some but thats not to say its not notable. ☻Ÿ 12:43, 28 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sipooti (talk • contribs) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


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