Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tonga National Tag Team (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The !votes are fairly weak here, so renominating is an option. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Tonga National Tag Team
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Doesn't appear to meet the notability guideline for organisations. A recent AfD was closed as no consensus with two delete !votes, one merge and one keep. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 17:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

... "Thanks everyone, Bwilkins, you and others have helped me get it to where its at.(IT was terrible at first) Thank you!!... One of the issues I have about merging it to Rugby is that Tag rugby is a variant of Rugby league not rugby union. And even though Rugby league and Tag Rugby are variants of Rugby They are Notable sports on their own. There is an article of Tag rugby on here. The links and references I have provided in the article is to show how this sport Tag Rugby is a Notable sport, despite being a variant. More importantly I have included other wiki links that show articles of other Tag/Flag football/Rugby National teams. The other important issue we must understand about Twenty20 a variant of cricket is that the infrastructure of that sport is totally different! Twenty20 and regular cricket co-exist with each other. The same Players contracted for Twenty20 also play regular cricket for their countries in between seasons. In most if not all occassions The national cricket team will also be the national Twenty20 team. Thats why there are no separate articles and is noted under the country's national cricket team page. Even though there is a world cup for Twenty20 now, the same national team is represented because this type of variant to that sport is different. For cricket there is 3 or 5 day tests, 50 overs, and now Twenty20 meaning just 20 overs. It is understandable that Twenty20 and Cricket are merged because it is the same game with the difference of only 20 overs rather than regular 50 overs. Twenty20 has become more popular because it is shorter,faster and big money but the sport is the same with the same players or/and national teams that play. Can we please look at Rugby and its variant Rugby sevens. Now this variant is a better example of how it stands alone from its "Mother sport" Rugby union and is comparative to how Tag rugby is to Rugby league. Sevens rugby has its own national teams - Different Teams, different players, you actually have to change codes to play one or the other unlike Twenty20 cricket. You cant merge Rugby sevens with Rugby because they are their own bonfired sport with their own national teams New Zealand Sevens and All Blacks, Australia Sevens and Wallabies, Japan Sevens and many other countries. It is the same for Tag rugby. You cannot merge Tonga National Tag Team with Tonga national rugby union team or 'Ikale Tahi or even Tonga national rugby league team or Rugby league because they are all different notable sports with different codes despite the variants. I cant say why there isint any articles on other national teams, maybe they just havnt been created? who knows? Im creating Nz and Australia tag Teams articles at the moment. (but as guided by some admins and users Im using my sandbox first) I dont have anything to do with the tongan team but I am a big sports fan in a wide range of sports and have very good knowledge of them either bacause I have played Internationally or I follow passionately for many years. I posted the Tonga Tag Team up first because they are the latest addition to the Tag world and there is not only a growing interest in joining this team from Tongans and of Tongan descent around the world but other nations competing against them has had very good competition fromTonga Tag. (Including beating Australia at the Pacific Cup 2012) I thought people googling Tonga Tag could find out more about Tonga's national Tag team in a factual and non biase way. It might not be of interest or impressive enough for some but thats not to say its not notable. ☻Ÿ 12:43, 28 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sipooti (talk • contribs) " ...
 * KEEP - Last time this article was nominated for deletion the 2 votes for deletes did not offer any reasonable evidence to support their stance. The one vote to merge was incorrect to merge as two different codes of sport cannot be merged and this was my reply to all the votes below. (copied from the previous nomination) :

I am trying to retrieve an archived article in the UK local paper as additional reference for the 2006 Tag world Cup. I have read the policies and guidelines of notability and it would seem to appear if there is anything lacking then editors should suggest improvement and other options for this article. The guidelines encourages to consider reasonable options before nominating an article for deletion. Many will agree there are articles here in Wikipedia that have less information, less references, are badly written, lack citation etc but doesnt necessarily warrant a deletion. In accordance with the Notability guidelines and the information on the article (more to be added) this article does not warrant a deletion. [] ☻Ÿ 03:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sipooti (talk • contribs)


 * Keep - I was viewing Ireland sports and came across Ireland and Britain national tag teams article:Great Britain and Ireland National Tag Rugby Squad With all due respect to the author of that article but that has NO INFORMATION AT ALL?? Yet it has suggestions to improve not to delete. I clicked on this national Tongan team and it has alot more information and stats. But more importantly has references and resources that supports its notability. The nominations for delection is not suitable or correct.--PILTS (talk) 13:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)--PILTS (talk) 13:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)--PILTS (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)--PILTS (talk) 13:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 04:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - while there is certainly room for improvement, I'd argue this is certainly notable, given the popularity that Rugby and its derivatives enjoy in Tonga. Notability should not be colored by location, as per WP:Systemic Bias Cheers, Zaldax (talk) 18:16, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Please don't relist discussions without a deletion argument.  Thanks, Unscintillating (talk) 00:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * When the "keep" !votes are not considered to have a sound foundation in policy, it's pefectly legitimate for a discussion to be relisted. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If relisters think that a deletion argument exists, they can enter the discussion and make the deletion argument. Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 23:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.