Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tonga national rugby league team match results


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. czar ⨹   13:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Tonga national rugby league team match results

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This is not encyclopedic per WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. Tchaliburton (talk) 03:54, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge Keep Changing my !vote to Keep, per 's bold merge. This seems to be a standard-format list article that fills in one of the red links in the International rugby league results template at the bottom of the page. It is very similar to the same article for England, Scotland, and so on. When the template was created, it was assumed that this article would be created.The source of the data should be indicated. Changing my !vote to Merge, per 's comment. Good catch. If the merge can take care of the housekeeping, another AfD probably not needed. – Margin1522 (talk) 22:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Merge Keep: The page needs some work and some sources, but that is not a reason for deletion. Merge as per below. Mattlore (talk) 20:46, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: It seems like two Wikipedia articles cover the same topic: Tonga national rugby league team match results and Tonga national rugby league team results. Maybe the content in these could be combined into the first article (since it's formatted better) and and the second one could be sent to AfD. -  t u coxn \talk 04:28, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Good spotting, the two pages should definitely be merged. Mattlore (talk) 04:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * calls for merging the second link into the first, and the first is the subject of the AfD, so I'm not following the "merge" !votes—shouldn't it be "keep"? And then the second link can be boldly merged? No reason to take it to AfD—AfD is for deletion discussions only (such that noms proposing actions other than deletion are eligible for speedy keep). czar  ⨹   15:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * unfortunately this is correct. I believe having alter or change the AfD nomination would facilitate that. However, neither my comment nor the above !votes address the nominator's argument for deletion: that the article in question is a list of statistics. I don't have an appropriate argument to address this, other than many other (better formatted) lists of national team rugby match results exist (as well as a template); this is a bad argument (a variation of WP:ALLORNOTHING or WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS). Otherwise, the nominator could win the AfD and the merged information could go into the other existing article (Tonga national rugby league team results), since they essentially contain the same information (a re-direct would be needed or the template and other red-links would need to be updated). In any event, I imagine this merging might involve complicated page-history merges. -  t u coxn \talk 22:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, to complicate things further, I've just been bold and merged the other one into this as it was prod'd. Which means the merge votes should now be read as keep. Mattlore (talk) 06:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * What about the nom's claim that it is "not encyclopedic per WP:NOTSTATSBOOK"? czar ⨹   07:31, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * First of all I don't think a full list of results counts as statistics. That policy would apply to a list of "Tonga national rugby league team try scorers" or a list of "Tonga national rugby league team top tacklers". Mattlore (talk) 08:24, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * As a defacto policy we do allow lists of results for national teams in major sports. E.g. see List of England national rugby union team matches. If we start deleting those we will have thousands of irate rugby fans calling for our heads. This would be easier to decide if Notability (sports) had a section on where to draw the line on stats. For example, for baseball players, this (old version) of Ichiro's article had his detailed per-season stats. We don't need that. But it should be OK to have a list of results in the World Series. – Margin1522 (talk) 10:14, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep -Even though the article certainly is not without problems, I do feel it has earned it's spot. I do think it needs to be revamped.Canyouhearmenow 13:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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