Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toni Seawright


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Nomination essentially withdrawn. All are welcome to edit, but I do encourage those who owe a contractual duty to the subjects to ensure that thier edits are within policy. My kudos on the above-board manner in which this has been handled so far. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  01:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Toni Seawright

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Failure of verification and single-event notability. Claims to be the first African-American Miss Mississippi, but that seems to be her only truly notable event. She does not appear on her children's TV shows per the show credits, so that doesn't qualify her. The article also is devoid of reliable sources and is an overly peacock-termed autobiography. —C.Fred (talk) 02:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * See comments of nominator on 12 May, below. —C.Fred (talk) 17:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mississippi-related deletion discussions.  -- kelapstick (talk) 17:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.  -- kelapstick (talk) 17:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Being the first in recognized competition is notable. Winning a significant competition, award or honor is even a criterion in the notability guidelines for people. OneEvent does not apply to events that the notability guidelines say make a person notable. Tone can be fixed with editing, so the real issue that should be focussed on is the lack of reliable sources. Did you try to find any per WP:BEFORE? - Mgm|(talk) 17:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, and a Google search for "Toni Seawright" returned nothing. Now, part of that is an issue that came up with the IMDB link below: her Naked Brothers Band credit is as Tony Seawright. I just did a google search on tony-seawright; it recommended two hits for Toni Seawright, a Myspace page and a Geocities page. It did list the IMDB page, but down about position seven.
 * I agree that the lack of independent reliable sources is the key issue. If somebody said right now, "Hey, here's where People magazine did an article on her" and it corroborated all the key factors (Miss Mississippi, mother of Qaasim), this discussion would be closed, because I'd withdraw the nomination. (If we had a reliable source, conflict of interest would be less of an issue, because there'd be something to check the assertions against.) —C.Fred (talk) 02:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

C.Fred, I will attempt to list this in order so that you can have these reliable sources all found when you google: Toni Seawright. Hetr is a link in relevance to her being Qaasim's Mom?:
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/07/arts/television/07musi.html
 * http://www.buddytv.com/qaasim-middleton.aspx. And as it pertains to her being mentioned in "People"?? We don't have that, but we do have a few other magazine/newspaper articles that are just as credible and/or reliable sources of information: As it pertains to the validity and verification of her Miss Mississippi win and Miss America runner-up position:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Mississippi (This is on Wikipedia)
 * http://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/20/us/black-is-miss-mississippi.html (NY Times Article)
 * http://www.geocities.com/missusamagicf/MA1988Delegates.html (Miss America Delegates)
 * http://www.missmississippipageant.com/pastroyalty/index.html (Miss Mississippi Website)
 * http://wapedia.mobi/en/Miss_Mississippi (Wapedia's website)
 * http://www.missmississippipageant.org/pastroyalty/1980/ (Miss MS past royalties in '80's)
 * http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Miss_Mississippi
 * http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,965978,00.html (article in Time Magazine)
 * http://www.mswritersandmusicians.com/writers/bill-minor.html (Article about a book written by Bill Minor concerning A 50 year Chronicle of Change in Mississippi and his dedication for the selection of Ms. Seawright)
 * http://www.muw.edu/misc/famoalum.html (Ms. Seawright's inclusion of Famous Alums from Mississippi University for Women)
 * http://www.aascu.org/anniversary/MUW/alumni.htm
 * http://www.mississippispageantupdate.com/honorpage.html
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:stwyetlLmQoJ:wapedia.mobi/en/Miss_America_1988+toni+seawright+miss+mississippi&cd=44&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (founf on wapedia)
 * http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Miss-Mississippi
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:5in-JcsdylwJ:history.nasa.gov/SP-4310/ch13.htm+toni+seawright+miss+mississippi&cd=68&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (foto and appearance of Toni Seawright at the dedication of the John C. Stennis space center w/Gov. Ray Mabus)
 * http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Mississippi_University_for_Women

http://www.sos.state.ms.us/ed_pubs/Publications/Souvenir_Booklet/2008/SECTION%20III%20-%20Mississippi%20Traditions,%20Accomplishments.pdf
 * http://www.mswritersandmusicians.com/actors/index.html (listed credit)
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:pyizSEqEP2IJ:www.yeahbaby.com/celebrity-namesakes.php%3Fname%3DToni+Toni+Seawright,+Miss+Mississippi&cd=38&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (entered in Celebrities named Toni)
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:OpyPWtsN8ZMJ:www.jimmyspageantpage.com/america_2.html+toni+seawright+miss+mississippi&cd=42&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 * http://www.muw.edu/misc/famoalum.html. ALso, this is some of Ms. Seawright's verification of her acting credits:
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:61MwBY6Eb7QJ:thepiratebay.org/torrent/4458129/The_Naked_Brothers_Band_-_3x01-02_Mystery_Girl%255Bh264%255D%255Bghalen%255D+toni+seawright&cd=74&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (her Naked Brothers Band "Mystery Girl" credits)
 * http://www.tv.com/everybody-cried-at-least-once/episode/1184949/summary.html?user_rating=0&rating_ref_type=103 (as Qaasim's Mom in this NBB episode called "Everybody's Cried At least Once"
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:oJM_ObstUHgJ:www.theharmonygroupllc.com/pg07.htm+Toni+Seawright,+Miss+Mississippi&cd=18&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:5pFTpp_yPP0J:www.tcg.org/publications/at/sept08/delta.cfm+Toni+Seawright,+Miss+Mississippi&cd=33&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:jnFg_h8jcl0J:www.brooklyneagle.com/archive/category.php%3Fcategory_id%3D12%26id%3D20913+Toni+Seawright,+Miss+Mississippi&cd=35&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (This is the Delta Rising, Mississippi Project showcase)
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:5pFTpp_yPP0J:www.tcg.org/publications/at/sept08/delta.cfm+toni+seawright&cd=73&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:UhqhPRhH9zQJ:abclocal.go.com/wabc/story%3Fsection%3Dnews/local%26id%3D5739345+Toni+Seawright,+Miss+Mississippi&cd=40&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (Article on "Hear Our Song" a production dedicated to benefit performances for Brain Tumors and other causes)
 * http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur41025.cfm
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:v1PlZEz9C6IJ:broadwayworld.com/bwidb/sections/people/index.php%3Fvar%3D69511+toni+seawright&cd=25&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (includes her Broadway and touring credits)
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:oJM_ObstUHgJ:www.theharmonygroupllc.com/pg07.htm+toni+seawright&cd=27&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (Hear Our Song review)
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:z60nd7NZlBEJ:www.nytimes.com/1993/03/19/theater/review-theater-another-excursion-to-a-hip-land-of-oz.html+toni+seawright&cd=32&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (New York Times review of "The Wiz)
 * http://www.allstars.org/content/Caribbean_Life_Satchel.pdf (Josn/Satchel Requiem). This is some of Ms. Seawright's verification of singing/songwriting/composing/backing vocals credits:
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:MMnJSYQNHNIJ:gogo-music.net/releases/gogo-015.php+Toni+Seawright,+Miss+Mississippi&cd=25&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us ( A House Music Project released Internationally By Ms. Seawright)
 * http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=2382
 * http://www.discogs.com/artist/Toni+Seawright
 * http://www.yeahbaby.com/celebrity-namesakes.php?name=Toni (celebrities named Toni)
 * http://www.discogs.com/artist/Toni+Sea
 * http://www.discogs.com/artist/Toni+Sea (vocals for RuPaul)
 * http://www.reverbnation.com/kristenmaxfield
 * http://ebcinfo.org/default.aspx?p=13244&maid=421&feed=podcast (as a singer/songwriter/composer
 * http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:6m3QD-_D13MJ:www.mswritersandmusicians.com/writers/bill-minor.html+toni+seawright&cd=50&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (Bill Minor's review about his 50 Year Chronicle to Change in Mississippi and his dedication to the selection of Ms. Toni Seawright for Miss Mississippi.
 * http://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/20/us/black-is-miss-mississippi.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/B/Black%20Culture%20and%20History

It is true that her name appears in one of the credits with a y on it. I'm trying to get that rectified as we speak. I have given you a host of things to look up found right under google. I know it's a lot, but I pray that it is enough for your consideration of withdrawing the deletion of her article and helping me to perfect it. I ask that you help me maintain her board. I thank you in advance. DenieceBetts (talk) May 6, 2009 2:59am

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2981622/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Mississippi and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1211136/ and http://broadwayworld.com/bwidb/people/Toni_Seawright/ are her Naked Brother's Band credits. Mystery Girl Pt.1 or 2 should be her other. She's appeared on the show twice as Qaasim's mother. Go to Turbo Nick and you will see both appearances in "Everybody Cries at Least Once" or "Mystery Girl" where she makes a cameo appearance. You can also google Ms. Seawright and you will see that she's released sang backing vocals for a few wellknown artists as well as has her own international dance project released a year and a half ago. There are host of other things that can be found on google concerning Toni Seawright. However, the accomplishment of making history as the first African American to win Miss Mississippi should be enough to be entered into Wikipedia. User:DenieceBetts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.208.35 (talk) 19:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

C.Fred is obviously not a fan of either, but, Deniece Betts is a manager of Toni Seawright. I think the animosity to have Toni Seawright's entry deleted comes from the fact that C.Fred (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · abuse log · block user · block log) continues to put in Qaasim's article on Wikipedia that Qaasim is 14 and was born in 1995 and he was born in 1996. It is my responsibility and duty to correct Qaasim's board as I edit Toni Seawright's boards as well. As a publicist through G-Q Media, I correct for the both of them as it is my duty to make sure that they are represented and shown in the best of light. I speak for the both of them because I am granted power of attorney to do. Nonetheless, the historical achievements of my client are factual and can be googled at any length to prove data and entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Mississippi This can be argued and proven at anytime on various sites. We appreciate C.Fred's "concern".. but it's hard to see where he's coming from with the entries on either board. When C.Fred (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · abuse log · block user · block log) continues to alter and change truth about Qaasim Middleton, it affects-not only his reputation and validity of his age when others ask-but also makes him a little upset becuase of the misinformation put in his article by C.Fred (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · abuse log · block user · block log). I will continue to edit Toni Seawright's board throughout the week with factual information and links as I have the time to do so. I will, also, continue to edit any misinformation put on the boards by C.Fred or any other user who gives false and/or misleading information pertaining to my client's son. I As far as Ms. Seawright's board is concerned, we ask the boards to give us the time to edit and reference all articles pertaining to the validity, professionalism, achievements and reputation of Toni Seawight. Thanks in adance, DenieceBetts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.208.35 (talk) 20:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Questions: (1) What's all this stuff about "boards"? (2) Are you saying that you are writing in the interest of the article's subject and a son of hers rather than Wikipedia and that you want to control the content of the article? -- Hoary (talk) 10:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep; she has a substantial, verified claim to fame and there is enough material out there to maintain the article in its current state (which is vastly improved from when C. Fred nominated it, FWIW). Mango juice talk 15:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. My concerns with this article when I nominated it were the lack of verifiable, independent resources and, secondarily, that it was being turned into a PR piece. Independent editors have come in and found the sources that I missed on my search and crafted it into a neutral, properly-sourced article. —C.Fred (talk) 17:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
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