Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tonmoy Tansen


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The result was delete. Per Less Unless's analysis. Would've redirected to the band if the band was notable, but it isn't. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 14:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Tonmoy Tansen

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WP:BEFORE has shown no IRS (updated: the irs are there, but there's no significant coverage). The subject fails WP:GNG Less Unless (talk) 11:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Less Unless (talk) 11:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Less Unless (talk) 11:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:59, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete a non-notable singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article does seem to cite some independent sourcing, e.g. . I wouldn't simply dismiss the singer as being non-notable. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment notability is defined by multiple independent reliable sources. There are also specific notability guidelines, but the subject fails them as well. One source, the half of which can't be used cause it's direct speech, doesn't prove the subject is notable. Less Unless (talk) 13:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. If the band the subject used to sing with was notable, it could be redirected there - but it isn't. If the only notable thing was writing for a film, then WP:1E would apply and the subject still isn't notable. Ifnord (talk) 21:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The person has been cited in notable national media of Bangladesh. There might be more sources in their native language.Beritagsier (talk) 22:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Primefac (talk) 14:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 00:11, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment The sources in the article:The Daily Star, Dhaka Tribune, BBC Bangla, The Independent, bdnews24.com, Prothom Alo, and Samakal, are some of the largest and most reputable news outlets in Bangladesh. They are reliable sources for pop culture and other things that newspapers are usually reliable for.
 * Would you expand on your statement that there are "no IRS"? One of the cited sources is a primary source interview that is lacking in independence, if that's what your "I" stands for. What is your analysis of why the other 14 sources aren't "IRS"?
 * The article, perhaps written by someone whose first language isn't English, is hard to follow. To clarify, Tansen is still a member of the Vikings (his quitting lasted all of 24 hours). The band is a red link, but that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't notable. Their heyday was the late 1990s, and very little Bangladeshi material from that period is available online, so proving it one way or another wouldn't be quick or easy. Also, although he may have written songs for Shabnam Ferdousi's film Ajob Karkhana and his own Run Out (the sources are unclear), he also directed the films Run Out and Podmo Patar Jol (transliterations vary) as well as performed the music for the former and wrote the screenplay for the latter. He still might not meet WP:MUSICBIO or WP:CREATIVE, but could meet WP:GNG without WP:1E applying. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello! I agree the wording in my nomination was rather misleading as IRS are there ( i will add this to the nomination), however the coverage of the subject is not significant. All the articles have 1-2 trivial mentions saying he is a director and a vocalist. WP:GNG requires in depth coverage about the subject - directly and in detail.
 * I'll go through the links, but i'll start from source number 5 as the first 4 sources were added after my nomination
 * source 5 this - can be used to support the fact he was a lead singer and director of some movies (not named) and that he left the band - does this article talks about him in depth - I don't think so, does it indicate his notability - vaguely - it's more about the band and the notability is not hereditary
 * source 6  this - one mention that he was a director of a movie and a lead singer - again, the mention is rather trivial, the article doesn't talk about the subject in depth
 * source 7 this - again a short mention that he was a screenwriter and director of a film - is it significant coverage? no.


 * Now let's go through the 4 refs added after the nomination
 * source 1 this - can't be used as it's direct speech
 * source 2 this - this link could be used apart from the direct speech
 * source 3 this - can be used to support the fact he left the band
 * source 4 this - absolutely the same as the previous - can't be used


 * Further reading section
 * link 1 this - a short mention that he is a director of a film and lead singer, later couple of mentions about his voice sounding in the song. - is the coverage significant? no
 * link 2 this - single trivial mention - Tonmoy Tansen, movie director and vocalist for Vikings - not significant coverage.
 * link 3 this - he is a vocalist of the band, he direct movies - the videos can't be used as a primary source - this link would be a very weak yes, as again the mentions are pretty trivial.
 * link 3 this - 2 short mentions - he is a director of a movie and his band wrote the music - trivial mentions
 * link 4 this - one mention - Vikings famed Tonmoy Tansen’s directorial skills shines through Paddo Patar Jol.
 * link 5 this - the same article as source 3 and 4
 * link 6 this - mentions him leaving the band and returning, his vision for band's future, also that he was directing movies.
 * link 7 this absolutely the same as the previous


 * So, what do we have in result - there are a lot of independent reliable sources, however there is no significant coverage. What information do we get from all of these sources - 4 facts - he is a vocalist of the Vikings, he directed movies (there is no in depth coverage on him as a director), he left the band, he rejoined the band. This article is not about the band, it's about Tonmoy and his own notability. I don't believe he passes WP:GNG. Best, Less Unless (talk) 18:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Can there be any doubt after "Less Unless"' very detailed review? Donaldd23 (talk) 20:15, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


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