Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tony C. Miller (cinematographer)


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The result was delete. Nobody (without a COI) supports keeping.  Sandstein  11:13, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Tony C. Miller (cinematographer)

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This AFD was requested via OTRS 2016092010011869, by a person who wishes to remain anonymous. I am not taking any position in this AFD, merely posting this on his or her behalf. The nominator's statement follows:

"Tony C Miller has been working as a cinematographer for at best 6 -7 years. In the film industry, (especially as a cinematographer) that is a very very short time to garner the notability and professional acumen that your site insists on as a requirement.

His Wiki page states he has been active since 1998 which is inaccurate and misleading. He worked previously at a different job, as a gaffer. He did his first job as a cinematographer in 2009 and did not start working full time in that profession until 2012. All his credits/references are post 2009.

Typically, cinematographers start by shooting music videos, commercials and short films and move on to drama and fiction as their skill base grows.

He has not won any awards in his own name. The ones he sites are awards for the productions he has worked on. Awards and ratings for music videos are usually based on the music artist. The success of the music track is down to the band and the publicity associated with it and the videos creative director. It is not associated with the 20 technicians (including the cinematographer) who worked on the video. This is self evidently misleading in his Wiki bio.

To illustrate my point, “The Great British Bake Off” is viewed by 14 million people and has won awards as a reality show. Its success is not associated with its cinematography. To claim so as a cinematographer would be in accurate.

In category ‘Notable’ – his work is misleading. As previously stated, the success of these videos was largely due to the artist/band involved.

He is not a member of the British Society of Cinematographers. This, like the Royal Society and is by invitation only. It indicates a level of professional skill. All the top UK cinematographers are members and it is consequently an international bench mark of professional acumen as a cinematographer.

He has not personally been nominated or won an award from Bafta, (British Academy of Film and Television), RTS (Royal Television Society) or any respected body in the film industry in the UK. In fact, he has won no awards at all for his cinematography.

I understand from Wikipedia, that a Rwandan volunteer editor has admitted to being paid to submit this Wikipedia page about Tony C Miller." Someguy1221 (talk) 21:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete -- the nominator's arguments are cogent, and the article appears nothing but an attempt to WP:INHERIT notability from much better known entities. The awards listed are for these projects, not for the subject's cinematography. K.e.coffman (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MelanieN (talk) 02:32, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The guy was probably asking for a rewrite, not an AFD. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 02:52, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * No, he actually specifically requested an AFD. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:58, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:36, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable cinematographer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:09, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * As I have a WP:COI in this article I've tried to avoid providing input in this debate, but the subject of the article (Tony C. Miller) has asked me to post the following message to the nominator on here:


 * Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 17:13, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Cinematography for music videos (essentially very short films) do not appear to rise to the level of WP:NARTIST or WP:NFILM. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:36, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.