Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tony Ciccone


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The result was delete. Salvio 12:58, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Tony Ciccone

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Non-notable film editor. Ciccone never rose above the role of "assistant film editor" and the only sources to be found about his career are IMBd and his own LinkedIn page. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  13:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:FILM. Only an assistant editor and not even a sizable filmography to boot, with the standard lousy sourcing for an article on a non-notable subject. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  01:55, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable film editor/actor during his 30+ year career. Body of work; 32 films, 11 TV shows, 1 video game and 2 music videos. IMDb lists Ciccone's domestic Box Office for 16 films at $847,257,098.  He is the only "hyphenate" Picture Editor/Actor that I am aware of.  Since the dominate basis for article deletion nomination is mis-understanding that Ciccone did not 'rise above role of "assistant" film editor', I will start with that.  Motion Pictures Editors Guild has Ciccone classified a Z1 Motion Picture Editor (highest classification) since 1999.  Other "final credit" titles that can be attributed to a Z1 Picture Editor include; "Additional Editor" "Associate Editor" "Editorial Consultant" "Co-Editor".  Meets WP:FILM  Sources/significant coverage on his career.  Google search for Tony Ciccone editor resulted in 93 global websites that include his bio and/or his resume;  5 "celebrity" websites include bio/net worth/personal details; 3 websites contained articles on his work.  Google's People Also Searched For included; notable collaborators; Hans Zimmer, Tom Cruise, Paula Wagner, Robert Towne, Thandie Newton, Ving Rhames.  One can make a reasonable presumption early in his career, that Ciccone appeared in TV Guide "Guest Star" listings.  Regarding IMDb Pro Starmeter system, where filmmakers are given a rating, Ciccone's career span has a much lower (better) star-rating than most other picture/sound editors listed in Wikipedia.  This tells me that he specifically is popular.  I will add more sourcing shortly, bear with me, I am a novice.  Article has been live since March 17, 2008.  The material is out there, the subject just needs a little TLC as opposed to deletion.  User:John537 10:51, 15 August 2020 (UTC) — John537 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The one "keep" vote is from the article creator himself, a single-purpose account devoted purely to promoting Ciccone on Wikipedia as his edit history indicates. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  08:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. He exists, but fails WP:NARTIST and WP:GNG. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. The claims of the nomination are false.  It was easy to find reliable, substantial secondary sources. References have been added to make a robust list.  Furthermore, when I posted this article in 2008, I had no idea there was an obligation for me to contribute on various topics.  Just because I can doesn't mean I have to.  Leave me out of the equation and  33 other editors have still contributed 71 edits - not nominate the article for deletion.  Perhaps they thought, "why would I delete a stub that provides information to people who are seeking it?"  Notability isn't a reward Wikipedians hand out for achievements, it's a reflection of how a subject is viewed by independent, reliable sources. Over 90 independent secondary sources worldwide have published information on Ciccone for other's to know.  IMDb shows the cover to a magazine that interviewed him when he was an apprentice editor.  They consider him notable, which means he is notable.  The films he's done have grossed over $1,000,000,000 in world-wide box office.  User:John537 11:43AM, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Namedropping famous actors/celebrities or how much the films he's worked on have earned at the box office do not help in establishing notability. On the contrary, all the sources therein are either primary or nonviable: Facebook, Netflix, generic cast listings, Blogspot, IMDb, the Swedish Movie Database (wtf?) and so on. Promotional content, such as an "unofficial" Facebook page, "body of work" blurb at the beginning and unverifiable "breaking new ground" hyperbole, has been removed. It's clear as crystal that you're really doing nothing more than promoting the subject — maybe a conflict of interest even — as your edit history completely centers around Tony Ciccone. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  17:37, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: Well, that's ten minutes of my life I'm not getting back ... see, I just went over the "sources" recently added, and they're a bunch of cast lists, user-generated bits and namedrops. Not a single damn one provides significant coverage to the subject, as the GNG requires.  In the filibustering above, User:John537 hauls out just about everything but actually establishing the subject's notability by Wikipedia guidelines.  The number of editors contributing to an article does not meet any Wikipedia notability standards.  The total box office of films on which a subject's worked does not meet any Wikipedia notability standards. (Hell, I bet there are deputy assistant under-animators working for Disney contributing to ten times as much $$$ box.) The subject's purported "classification" does not meet any Wikipedia notability standards.  And so on.  I strongly recommend that User:John537 familiarize himself with those standards before pursuing this further.   Ravenswing      16:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


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