Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tony Savo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Regardless of the walls o' text, there appears to be insufficent notability here. No prejustice against recreation as a redirect to the music group mentioned if RS can be found (as he isn't even mentioned in the Coalition Fight Music article at the moment). The Bushranger One ping only 05:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Tony Savo

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Completing nomination on behalf of User:AwayEnter. On the merits, I have no opinion - though I would recommend that the nominator produce sources that contradict the facts of the article, and thus confirm that the inaccuracies noted below are indeed present; It is well and good to question the facts of the matter, but simply contending that they're not accurate (when they appear to be sourced) is usually not be sufficient to justify deletion. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 12:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

The rationale, taken from the nominator's post at WP:BLP/N, reads thus: This entry is based on serious misrepresentations of information and having it on Wikipedia provides a dangerous potential to legitimize and perpetuate the false information at the expense of the legitimate company.

- It links to Coalition_Fight_Music this company expelled the subject in September of 2011. The seriousness of the matter is recorded in the highest level of dispute - "Coalition Fight Music" is a trademarked name registered to an individual not matching this entry - This entry dangerously misrepresents the subject as "CEO" in addition to other titles of authority, it also makes false claims of current involvement with company which do not exist. - Any references listed to support the facts of this entry suggesting any current relationship of the subject and "Coalition Fight Music" or "The Coalition, LLC" are the result of misrepresentations asserted by the source. - A simple check reveals that the source of information posted by the webpages (listed as references) come from "Tony Savo." The references listed for this entry are written by the subject of this entry in violation of the entire policy of Wikipedia governing accuracy of entries. The misrepresentations in the references can be easily traced back to the subject of this entry being the source of the misrepresentations. - Misrepresentations are pervasive throughout the entry, they are the focus of the entry and are in fact the basis of its creation - The misrepresentations made on this page are very serious and detrimental to a legitimate company that has taken great efforts to prevent further detriment caused by dishonesty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AwayEnter (talk • contribs) 06:36, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - I took a look at the four references, which do not look like very reliable sources. Anyway, the second reference doesn't even mention Tony Savo's name, and the others are rather trivial mentions where he is briefly quoted as saying something, nothing you can create an article on. Whatever is the case here, it appears that this man should at best be mentioned in the context of Coalition Fight Music, provided that we find reliable sources to establish his connection with that company. A quick search on his name didn't yield anything notable. Article was created by a one-time editor. MakeSense64 (talk) 13:19, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Repeating what I posted at the BLP/N... At least as of March 3, 2012 Savo was interviewed in a Fat Ninja Media podcast, and on March 4th he was also interviewed on the MMA2Day Show as being from Coalition Fight Music or as being CFM CEO/Producer of Coalition Fight Music.  In addition Coalition Fight Music's official website lists Savo as being a member and MMA Pundit has a March 7, 2012 announcement from Coalition Fight Music with Savo taking the lead and a photo of Savo at the recent event.    I have been unable to find any online evidence of Savo/Statecyde being sued by Coalition Fight Music/The Coalition, of Savo/Statecyde being publicly enjoined not to claim he's associated with CFM or indeed of any legal action between Savo/Statecyde and CFM.  I would be interested to see AwayEnter's sources for their above claims in the AfD nomination. Shearonink (talk) 13:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That could all very well be, but we are trying to determine whether he deserves a standalone article or not. Even if all these things you say are true, I don't see how he qualifies for an article. At the most he could get a mention in Coalition Fight Music. MakeSense64 (talk) 07:01, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am pointing out that other sources, in addition to the ones in the article, do exist about this person and, in addition, that none of them contradict the stated facts that appear in this article. The problem seems to be that MMA does not receive coverage in the usual mainstream sources, but the sources I mentioned above (FatNinja & MMA2dayshow) both have in-depth coverage.  I would say that this person's article could at least possibly qualify for inclusion as they have a significant cult following WP:ENT.  If community consensus is reached that the content of this person's article should be merged into Coalition Fight Music, then at the very least a re-direct should be left at Tony Savo. Shearonink (talk) 14:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete* Non-notable. WP is not a census. Tom Reedy (talk) 17:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:31, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

1. This entry does not meet Wiki guidelines, all citations are to blogs, the entry is not important, neutral or verifiable. 2. Citing interviews of Tony Savo in an article about Tony Savo is equivalent to Tony Savo writing this himself, the misrepresentations he made during those interviews and in the blogs are simply repeated here. It is an egregious oversight to give credence to blogs and interviews that are easily traced back to Tony as the single source. It is the source of information, not the web page where it was posted that determines the weight of credibility. '''These reasons alone merit deletion. 3. Other concerns listed above emphasize the importance of addressing this entry quickly. 4. "Tony Savo" does not exist. That name will not show up in any official documents. Searches must be conducted using a legal name, recent filings can only be searched using his current legal name. 5. Government records have restrictions on being linked which is why it is not done so here 6. Because it appears that this entry is moving quickly towards deletion, I want to be respectful to the privacy of parties in dispute and reveal information only as far as necessary to have an expedient removal of this page. AwayEnter (talk) 21:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - As far as I can see, this person simply fails notability in lacking sufficient significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The rest of the issues are just a red herring -- Whpq (talk) 17:21, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Verifiable Sources Refuting Claims

1. "Coalition Fight Music" is an actively registered trademark. Note that there is no "Tony Savo." trademark registration info

2. To be a CEO, there needs to be a company. Please cite the existence of a company naming "Tony Savo" as a CEO from a verifiable source.

3. Video Game: as an example of how false information sourced from interviews and posted on blogs is entirely unverified and inappropriate to form the basis for encyclopedic entries, please see the following links. Despite the multitude of claims that CFM music and Savo are included in the SupremacyMMA game, this claim is obviously false. It doesn't matter how many blogs and interviews repeat Savo's false claims, it is a verifiable fact that SupremacyMMA does not include CFM music nor does it include anything by Savo. The insistence on using Wikipedia to give credibility to this and other unverifiable claims needs to end. SupremacyMMA sountrack info via gameplaytoday.com SupremacyMMA sountrack info via gamershell.com full credits information via allgame.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by AwayEnter (talk • contribs) 10:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete ...since my other comments didn't register as a delete vote AwayEnter (talk) 14:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note, rather than deleted, if there's consensus that the subject shouldn't have an article on his own, it should be redirected&merged into the outfit/group's article.  Snowolf How can I help? 02:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, the discussion about whether he is or isn't the CEO should probably be held on the article's talk page rather than here.  Snowolf How can I help? 02:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The main facts as asserted in article seem to be supported by multiple reliable sources, please see Talk:Tony Savo. Agree with Snowolf about where it is appropriate to discuss whether or not Savo is or is not a CEO.  If AwayEnter has verifiable proof from published reliable sources that Savo is not associated in any way with CFM at the present time (which I think would speak to his notability), I would suggest that this particular verifiable information could be posted on this page.  So far, multiple independent & seemingly reliable sources indicate that Savo is still associated with CFM, regardless of what his exact title might be.  Regarding the SupremacyMMA issue, there are sources that claim that CFM is associated with this game and then there are sources that do not mention them.  It is possible that they were legitimately announced as being in the game and the music got dropped, the same way, for instance, that Kevin Costner had the lead in The Big Chill but his character's scenes were completely deleted...I don't know, I have just not made up my mind on what my decision is going to be about this AfD. Shearonink (talk) 04:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.