Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toongabbie Public School


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The result was   merge to Toongabbie, New South Wales. Jayjg (talk) 04:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Toongabbie Public School

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Contested Prod. No notability, no GHits of significance. GregJackP (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete or merge. A non-notable primary school. Certainly lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Try looking harder please. Significant section in Pictorial history Blacktown & District (Alan Sharpe), the book Toongabbie Primary School: a 125 year pictorial history appears to be about it, the school wrote about itself in Toongabbie Public School 1886-1986: the first one hundred years and from other such books I have read it will be replete with references, the book The Toongabbie story: a compact history of the settlement looks to have significant stuff written about the school......need I go on ? GHits are are often a useless measure of anything important. - Peripitus (Talk) 21:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Change to Merge to Toongabbie, New South Wales per Mandsford and leave a redirect in place. There seems sufficient doubt that there is enough for a standalone article - Peripitus (Talk) 02:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Are the books about Toongabbie Primary self-published? I wouldn't ordinarily think local history books are reliable sources establishing notability. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hard to tell as I found all this through google books. the 1886-1986 book is published by the school so is only useful for uncontroversial facts (establishment dates, personel etc.) but there appears to be sufficient information. Through the NLA archives I can see news articles primarily about the school from 1895, 1911 and other dates, articles on the schools establishment (1880, 1886), articles about tenders/work on the building from various dates amongst the usual many articles just mentioning the school in passing - see here for a partial list of available news articles - Peripitus (Talk) 00:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Peripitus looks to be notable, for a school that is. Worse case scenario we're just going to merge this anyhow.   JBsupreme  ( talk ) 07:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - The Pictorial history Blacktown & District booklet mention above only has five mentions and no detailed coverage of the school. I then used the Gale Cengage search engine. Zero hits for in keywords and only three hits for full text all of which were the school name embedded in long lists of school names for sporting events. Two of those three were for "Toongabbie West Public School" which may be another school. At first I was not comfortable with recommending delete as the school is well over 100 years old and thus we are dealing with FUTON bias. I looked at the Wikipedia article again, realized there's absolutely no hint of notability and there's so little information in that article, such as what country the school is in, that we may well be looking at a hoax article. Even the web site link is junk. WP:ORG asks for "is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources." The only coverage I saw was that in the 1890s the school was overcrowded (50 people in a structure intended for 30) that they built a new building. Usually when something's notable there's a hint. The WP:N coverage I'm looking for may not be on the web but at least I'll find references that such coverage exists and then it's a matter of tracking that down to see if it's significant, independent, etc. I'm not seeing anything. The school web site also offers no hints. I'd say it's an ordinary primary school. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 11:42, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Something was bugging me about this as the public school info I saw last night was for NSW while the 125 year history book was published by someone in Victoria. It turns out we have Toongabbie, New South Wales which is now a suburb of Sydney and Toongabbie, Victoria which is a small town (population 563) 177km east of Melbourne whose Toongabbie Primary School opened in 1856 and is still open. Thus we can scratch Toongabbie Primary School: a 125 year pictorial history as being a source or possible WP:N coverage. I have already discussed Pictorial history Blacktown & District which appears to have trivial coverage of the NWS school. The Toongabbie story: a compact history of the settlement is published by Toongabbie Public School, Parents' & Citizens' Association making it a great WP:SELFPUBLISH source for the article but failing entirely as a WP:N source. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 21:04, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I still feel that for a subject of such age an offline search is necessary. - that said the article as it stands is not useful and deleting it then someone recreating when there is better substance is an option - Peripitus (Talk) 22:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 07:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC) (originally relisted by--Mike Cline (talk) 03:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC))
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Merge to Toongabbie, New South Wales. There's no indication that this is notable outside of Toongabbie, nor any reason to believe that the aforementioned books would have taken up shelf space other than on the "local interest" section of bookstores and libraries in the Sydney area.  Mandsford (talk) 14:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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