Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toos van Holstein


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The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:24, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Toos van Holstein

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Article ona Dutch artist, without proper sources for the past 12 years. The only web sources I could find were commercial or wiki sites. I saw one decent book reference, and a couple of glancing mentions in news items. GNG fail. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:49, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment There are books used as sources, but the references are unclear. The books can be looked up by ISBN on WorldCat. I think having someone fluent in Dutch look at this is important. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:56, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I tried to give more complementary information about Toos van Holstein and I hope that by this the deletion of the lemma about Toos van Holstein can be put out of discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harm Witteveen (talk • contribs) 16:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Harm Witteveen, the material you added had no sources, so I have reverted it as we do not add speculative material without sources. See the explantion I left you on your talk page. If you have independent sources, add them to the page. Also, someone named Harm Witteveen in real life is strongly associated with the article subject, so if you happen to be connected to Toos, please declare your connection per WP:COI.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment "Briljanten kunstenaar van het jaar"is part of the "Kunstenaar van het Jaar" (artist of the year) award, a popular vote to select the most popular artist in the Netherlands. The winners tend to be notable, for example, Marlene Dumas won in 2015. I'm having difficulties finding independent, reliable sources about van Holstein though. All the sources provided seem to be exhibition catalogues (co-authored) by a major contributor to the article. I have not been able to access these books, with one exception: https://issuu.com/donkigotte/docs/20130411_brochure_toos_def. It contains a two-page bio and an introductory text about the exhibition. It lists exhibitions in the Musee St. Paul de Vence, Museum het Peetershuis in Gennep, the Martinikerk (Franeker) in Franeker and Fort Rammekens in Vlissingen. I can't quite make out which museum in Saint-Paul-de-Vence the catalogue refers to; there are several, the most notable of which is the Fondation Maeght, but from what I can tell, it is likely the Musée municipal de Saint Paul instead. My take on those is that they are all rather minor exhibition spaces, not significant or highly selective museums with a reputation for curatorial excellence. Vexations (talk) 16:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this excellent research. As you point out, all of the article sources are written by an author named Harm van Witteveen. ::It seems like a clear notability fail, as there is no coverage in multiple independent publications. Instead, we a single author who ::wrote all the coverage, and a WP account by the same name who wrote the article and !votes above at AfD. Seems like classic ::promotion.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:33, 20 January 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:53, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I read nl:Toos van Holstein, and failed to persuade myself (noting that all the citations were self-published) from what it says in main text that the artist would pass WP:NBIO in English WP. A Google search turned up no independent in-depth WP:RS sources. I concur with the analysis by Vexations, above: WP:TOOSOON at best. Narky Blert (talk) 15:49, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment, there is an article on the dutch WP (here) but unfortunately (her paintings look pretty amazing, why isnt she held in notable collections?) it doesnt have any more. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:52, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


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