Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Top Choice Awards


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The result was   delete. j⚛e deckertalk 15:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Top Choice Awards

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This appears to be a non-notable award, and an award given by a non-notable organization.

The metronews (a free newspaper distributed to commuters) reference for the award to Dana White - Local business award taps UFC president indicates that is a local business award.

There are two references from the Toronto Sun. In the second, the two-time recipient very much downplays the importance of the awards. The second reference also discloses that "Top Choice Awards polled over 6,000 people in the GTA to choose their favourites in various categories based on quality, service, value and professionalism. The winners include 450 businesses and professionals.". This would indicate that the awards are voted on by a very small number of people with a very large number of winners, suggesting very little in the way of a selection process.

As for the "notable winners", any organization or individual decide to give an award to someone they admire. I doubt that Oprah Winfrey or Arnold Schwarzenegger were aware of their nominations, let alone their award wins.

Considering the other references:
 * "Steve Anthony Top Toronto Television Personality Top Choice Awards 2013" is his own website, and does not aid an assertion of notability
 * "Scott Fox Wins The 2012 Top Choice Award" is Z103.5's Scott and Kats' own website, and does not aid an assertion of notability
 * "Ivanka Trump - Top Choice Award 2012 - Businesswoman of the Year" is a video from the award's own YouTube channel. Again, it is no assistance in establishing the award's notability. Shirt58 (talk) 11:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Michaelfillier (talk) 15:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)michaelfillier

(Forgive me if this is not the proper way to reply, I just wanted to respond quickly to prevent action from happening without hearing a response)

The metronews article refers to "Top Choice", an often used abbreviation when referring to the award. Dana White was even featured on the cover of Top Choice Magazine with the award. Top Choice Magazine - Spring 2011

The reference to the voting numbers is a little misleading in that instance. The 6,000 votes was JUST in the city of Toronto, the 450 winners were from all over Canada. The actual number of winners in Toronto was around 80. In our latest survey, we received over 500,000 votes and identified just over 900 winners, this is a big leap in terms of votes to winner ratio. Average votes per category this year was around 550, which is quite significant considering these awards are local.

Regarding the "notable winners" you assume have no knowledge of the award, here are temporary copies of their acceptance letters that will be added as references when I have upload privileges Arnold Schwarzenegger Acceptance Letter Oprah Acceptance Letter

The "Ivanka Trump - Top Choice Award 2012 - Businesswoman of the Year" video IS on our youtube channel, BUT she did record that acceptance speech for us to air during the awards gala for that year. Her acknowledgement in that video should aid assertion of notability, since it was not "created" by us.

Although "Scott Fox Wins The 2012 Top Choice Award" and "Steve Anthony Top Toronto Television Personality Top Choice Awards 2013" do fall under own website. I believe the fact that they are members of the media should aid assertion of notability, even if they are sharing the news themselves.
 * Delete - There really is only one potentially valid reference - two articles to the same event, a Mike Strobel winning the award. The other references are two YouTube videos (that are not authoritative) and to personal web pages for alleged award winners.--Rpclod (talk) 18:10, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - No consideration for the acceptance letters from Oprah and Arnold Schwarzenegger? How can the youtube videos not be authoritative? Although they have been posted online by Top Choice Awards, they clearly depict an acceptance by Ivanka Trump and a television appearance on Breakfast Television in Toronto. These events did happen and were produced by external sources.

What about instances where the content is originally posted by a third-party and then removed at a later date? Here is an example of the award being presented on a popular Toronto Radio Show, the Dean Blundell Show, which has since been cancelled due to on-air comments. After the initial broadcast, the Dean Blundell Show posted the audio clip on it's Soundcloud account, which has since been deleted. Top Choice Awards received a copy of the interview and posted it on its own Soundcloud account: The Dean Blundell Show - Top Radio Morning Show Of 2013 In The GTA. Michaelfillier (talk) 20:40, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have a conflict of interest?--Rpclod (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * > Yes. I work for Top Choice Awards, but my contribution is not paid or advocated for by the organization. I do believe the organization is worthy of notice and although it may not my as famous or popular as other awards that are on wikipedia, it is definitely important. Michaelfillier (talk) 15:30, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. This simply lacks the significant coverage from independent sources needed to satisfy WP:GNG. Routine coverage, passing references and coverage by related parties are not sufficient to demonstrate notability. Tchaliburton (talk) 05:04, 2 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG. None of the sources indicates notability.-- Dewritech (talk)  12:00, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, § FreeRangeFrog croak 08:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Comment The sources provided do indicate notability. The notability guideline mentions that sources should be "Independent of the subject". The videos and articles supplied were not produced by Top Choice Awards or anyone affiliated with Top Choice Awards. Top Choice Awards has hundreds of videos on their YouTube Channel that are produced by Top Choice Awards themselves. None of these works were cited. Michaelfillier (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Per WP:AFDFORMAT: "do not repeat your recommendation on a new bulleted line."  You have already provided input above, please refrain from recommending action multiple times.--Rpclod (talk) 13:26, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * To Michaelfillier, it is fine per practice here for you to comment again, just don't vote "Keep" twice, that somewhat confuses interpretation of views here. It's impossible to know all the Wikipedia rules and practices right away.  You're doing fine, keep up your good work.  -- do  ncr  am  03:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Seems confusing that the article does not describe this as a Canadian awards system, maybe it is supposed to be international though it is based in Vaughan, Ontario.  There are numerous mentions.  This award seems to range from very high to very local categories, so there are lots and lots and lots of mentions in various media, e.g.:
 * In an country of INDIA newspaper: "Home Care Assistance Toronto/York Region Wins Top Choice Award for Elderly Care Services in Vaughan", Source:India Pharma News. (May 5, 2014) Excerpts describing the awards: "Located in the city of Vaughan, Ontario, the Top Choice Awards is an organization that uses international surveys to assess the service of businesses around the world and recognize them in categorical awards. The qualification process for the Top Choice Awards is rigorous and the winners are chosen by customer vote. 'We can't begin to explain how proud and excited we are to be given this award,' says Lester Fix, executive vice president of Home Care Assistance - Toronto/York Region. 'We've dedicated ourselves to providing elder care services to the communities in which we're present and are honoured to be recognized for our hard work.'  The next Top Choice Awards Gala will be held on November 7 at The Fermenting Cellar in the Distillery District of Toronto. This will mark the ninth year of this prestigious award.".
 * "Restaurant is 'top choice'", Mississauga News (Mississauga, Ontario). (Dec. 2, 2011): News: p1, by: Julia Le. Excerpt: "A Mississauga restaurant has been recognized for beings tops in Italian food. During a gala at Toronto's Atlantis Pavillions earlier this month, Il Porcellino Italian Restaurant received the Top Choice Award (TCA), handed out by the organization of the same name. Il Porcellino Italian Restaurant won in the Italian restaurant category, based on online voting on the TCA website."
 * "Slimband Captures Coveted Top Choice Award." India Pharma News 14 Nov. 2013. Infotrac Newsstand. Web. 7 Aug. 2014. Excerpt: "New Delhi, Nov. 14 -- Slimband is the top weight loss clinic in the Greater Toronto Area. That's according to local residents who handed the company the honour-known as the Top Choice Award-in a live vote that was held through the web and on social media."  Goes on for a bit.
 * and lots more
 * Frankly i don't get why a New Delhi, India-based news organization focusing on the pharmaceuticals industry is one of the news organizations covering these, but coverage is coverage is coverage. Also it is confusing that there is a Colorado Cattleman's association and various other organizations that also give "Top Choice Award"s, but the Canada one seems to be the most prominent use of the term. -- do  ncr  am  03:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is "India Pharma News" a reliable source? I don't think so. "Coverage" needs to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Why is it covering this award? Looking at its website I would say that will it may arrange to cover anything. Google the phone number on its website for more info in this regard.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:52, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. I read all of the refs, none of them confer notability. They are all youtube or primary or reporting the awards. Nothing to indicate the awards themselves are notable. Szzuk (talk) 22:29, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable. AdventurousMe (talk) 03:26, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
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