Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Topper's Pizza (American restaurant)


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The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 02:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Topper's Pizza (American restaurant)
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Only trivial coverage found, such as events at local branches. Only other sources I could find are franchise directories. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 18:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment – it's probably not enough, but it has received local awards from UW-Madison student newspaper The Badger Herald (see ). MuZemike 19:14, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not enough. Hardly a notable award. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 19:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoever placed the "if you came here" box on this discussion, please remove it. The device is appropriate only where it appears that there actually is a discussion with multiple participants, and should never be used pre-emptively.  Thank you. Mandsford (talk) 13:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:N as it hasn't recieved the attention of the greater media or publishing world.  Them From  Space  14:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - It appears to me that it passes WP:ORG. My Google search turned up an article about the company in Food and Drink magazine, which I added to the article as a reference. That plus the article in the "State News" (apparently in Lansing, Michigan) makes two solid third-party sources, in addition to articles in campus newspapers such as the Badger Herald. --Orlady (talk) 03:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - clearly notable in light of the source that Orlady added. CopaceticThought (talk) 05:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. Notability requires multiple, reliable sources about the subject itself rather than throw away, marginal articles about store openings and the like. The Food and Drink article, as a trade publication, is borderline, but after that it's a real struggle to find anything substantial. The State News article is no more nor less than any new business is likely to get as a write up in a small town newspaper. If this chain is notable then the bar on notability is so low that we may as well not bother worrying about notability at all. AngoraFish   木  11:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak delete 20 locations is rather borderline to me. It's not some dude's hot-dog stand, but it's also not a reasonably well-known or recognisable brand, even regionally. Unlikely to become part of any historic record (even within its business niche), no innovations, no unique aspects, and just plain not much to say about it. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  14:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I ran across one search-results link (apparently more recent than the sources cited in the article, which are several months old) that said they had 23 locations, but I couldn't see the whole article to verify the info and the source. --Orlady (talk) 15:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't suprise me. If they're a franchise biz, they probably gain and lose locations fairly regularly, that's par for the course in franchising. Another location or two won't save this article. What would save it is some claim of cultural significance (Domino's Noid was popular enough to have a Nintendo game, Ray's Pizza is a New York institution), pioneering a unique business method (Chuck E Cheese's mechanical mostrosities or Cici's pizza buffet), particularly outstanding reception (first pizza place to earn a Michelin star?) or being a global colossus (Pizza Hut is a household word in some 100 countries). Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  15:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I fully agree that the difference between 18, 20, 23, or 30 locations does not determine notability. I was merely adding a point of information. Since then, however, I expanded the article based on several additional sources. I have no personal experience with this chain, but from what I have read about it, I get the impression that it has an unusual marketing approach that is proving very successful, at least for now. --Orlady (talk) 15:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep The article from Food  & Drink is sufficient to show notability--the equivalent of an award. Without it, I wouldn't have said keep. DGG (talk) 23:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


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