Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tor Sagen


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The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Tor Sagen

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Autobiography of a journalist and motorcycle tester. A search for sources reveals no evidence the subject meets the general notability guideline. The article cites a single Norwegian source from 2007 and I can't find any to add. Tagged for notability since Sept 2009: if there were more sources to add, I guess they would've been added by now. -- Rrburke (talk) 14:42, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * DELETE Clear autobiography, not helped by today's spamming activity by and likely sock . --Biker Biker (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I note that the second of these two editors recently added sources to the article, but that -- their quality aside (some were blogs) -- these appeared to be articles by the subject, not about him, and as such don't help to establish notability. -- Rrburke (talk) 15:25, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. The subject's journalism writing is basically low-level staff work at motorcycling publications, with no major original contributions, scoops, or otherwise influential writing. The most significant non-journalistic feat seems to be having ridden a motorcycle down a slalom course, but it doesn't seem to have caused much of a ripple in independent sources.For what it's worth, the full list of external links, mostly not in English, are in this version of the page. --Dbratland (talk) 17:42, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Lacks references that would prove notability, and profession is not inherently notable. Drmies (talk) 20:45, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Sad vanity article. EEng (talk) 22:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Have tried to add one of the few Norwegians who has done an international career in this field. But obviously failed in my editing process. Any constructive advice on what I should do to avoid Sagen hunting me down for ruining the page about him greatly appreciated. Links added yesterday to source the language information in article and fix notability issue. This article is surely not meant to be a vanity article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raptorama (talk • contribs) 00:46, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh, change your address? Move to Sweden! Though I hear the biker gangs there are dangerous. Seriously, your effort to improve the wiki is appreciated; it just so happens that the first one you picked is not the most notable one--don't let it get you down, just try again. It can be difficult to write an objective biography and description, no doubt, and I for one do not think that you set out to write a vanity piece. As for Tor, you can always tell him that as long as he writes decent articles he'll keep his job, with or without a Wikipedia article. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 01:52, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's getting sadder. Sagen/Raptorama are obviously the same person, so unless he's planning to harm himself he should be safe from, er, himself.  This is why autobios are so frowned upon: they waste everyone's time. EEng (talk) 02:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't have any proof of that, and I'll assume good faith since I personally have no reason to do otherwise. Now, EEng, which article on the pedia is my autobio? Haha, Drmies (talk) 02:10, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Raptorama is Tor Sagen's YouTube handle ; it's in one of the links I linked to above. Raptors & Rockets is Sagen's personal motorcycle blog/magazine/whatever. --Dbratland (talk) 02:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish I didn't know that. Drmies (talk) 03:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop by my office. I'll warm up the neuralyzer. EEng (talk) 03:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the unbiased edits then EEng and Dbratland. I came here to write this specific article and with the field specific sources at hand. I could have called myself TorSagen. Can I not edit an article on Beethoven under the user name Beethoven? Now, I shall endeavour to make this more solid. If a branch specific source is not high enough quality for this set of editors, then we are not going to get far with motorcycling in Wikipedia. I have identified several edits I would like to make that will make this a much richer place for those wanting further expertise on motorcycling (on other subjects), but I'm not sure I have time and energy to champion my own credibility on each fact presented. May I suggest that Editors that believe that I am biased consider themselves biased and allow others to edit my future edits? Peace.--Raptorama (talk) 04:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if you are or are not TorSagen. It's suspicious, both under WP:SPA and WP:DUCK. However, this discussion is about the encyclopedic content of the article. tedder (talk) 04:31, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm. How is this for a blatant conflict of interest? Drmies (talk) 05:01, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * How dare you sir. Plus, there's always WP:WAX; this isn't about the noble accomplishments of the tedder. tedder (talk) 06:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, supplying reliable sources on everything is part of the job. And please, don't try to sell us on the idea that you're not Sagen, or someone close to him.  You even have a second account, Raptorphoto, which was blocked for sockputtetry. EEng (talk) 15:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.