Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tor Valum


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect Closing a few hours early because the consensus is extremely clear. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__

Tor Valum

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I'm not seeing any evidence of individual notability here. While the unused scripts of Rise of Skywalker have coverage, Valum has absolutely none. The Yahoo source is referring to the script exclusively (With only one mention of Valum in the whole article), ScriptShadow doesn't seem to have a proper editorial team and is thus unreliable, LRMOnline seems reliable at a glance but is still almost exclusively covering the script as a whole, with Valum only a part of it, while CBR has no bearing on notability per WP:VALNET. The development is entirely about the script, with the Polygon source and the Collider source not even mentioning Valum. There's no evidence of this character having notability separate from the script. Additionally, the current uploaded image for Valum is a copyright violation, as it has been uploaded to the Commons with no attribution. Additionally, while it isn't an exact match (And Earwig won't let me check this myself) the plot summary in the article is highly similar to the summary found here: https://unpublished-villains.fandom.com/wiki/Tor_Valum in numerous areas, and appears to be at the bare minimum partial plagiarism. This article seems to fall afoul of multiple different issues. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy,  and Film. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Star Wars: Duel of the Fates - Not only non-notable in general, it seems from the little bit of coverage about him that he was not even a particularly major character in the unproduced script. Many of the sources being used here just very briefly mention the character while summarizing the leaked script, and several of them don't even mention the character at all, making this look like a case of WP:REFBOMBING. At best, this can just be redirected to the main article on the unproduced film, where he is already mentioned in the plot summary. Rorshacma (talk) 23:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Rorshacma. This can't be made into a substantial article with reliable sources, likely because it never had a public reception. Sometimes unreleased content can be WP:NOTABLE, but most of the time it isn't. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Star Wars: Duel of the Fates as there does not appear to be significant coverage about this character in reliable, third-party sources. I think a redirect would be preferable to outright deletion as this is a viable search term that readers could use. Aoba47 (talk) 23:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Rorshacma. The Development section doesn't even have any secondary sources that mention Tor Valum, just Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Expanded Edition. hinnk (talk) 04:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect seems to be the consensus easy way out. There are two good citations but it’s borderline notable. Bearian (talk) 15:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I tagged the article for speedy deletion with db-g12. If the page is speedy-deleted, anyone can create a redirect.
 * The initial revision has 92.1% similarity with the Fandom page linked by Pokelego999, with most of the Biography and Development sections highlighted.
 * The violation can be fixed by providing attribution using Fandom content, but the apparent consensus here is that the content is not usable and should be removed by redirecting.
 * I copied the sources to WT:Articles for deletion/Tor Valum. References do not require attribution per WP:Copying within Wikipedia (guideline, shortcut WP:NOATT), so this does not interfere with deletion.
 * The creator has been indefinitely blocked for WP:Copyright violations (policy). There may be additional unidentified violations.
 * Flatscan (talk) 04:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)


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