Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Torento-no-kami


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. czar 13:59, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Torento-no-kami

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The topic is fairly obviously bogus. No evidence has been given that there is a god with such a name, and the creator has a history of evasive comments, misleading edit summaries. Imaginatorium (talk) 08:35, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 02:42, 20 May 2018 (UTC) Should just be deleted no proper sources (Even though they do exist.)
 * YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 08:59, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * https://www.facebook.com/Torentonokami/ — Note to closing admin: YodogawaKamlyn (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 11:49, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 11:49, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: (by initiator) The creator has now ostensibly decided to give up, but by blanking the page, including the AfD notice, so following none of the procedures indicated. But none of this has been done in good faith ("...no proper sources (Even though they do exist.)": no, there has never been any external evidence whatsoever of this "Torento"), and the user's contributions to Japanese wikipedia remain: ja:日本の神の一覧 (the list of deities) and the separate article ja:トレントの上. Imaginatorium (talk) 02:56, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment While I, do not fully agree with the above comment all edits by me have been removed from Wikipedia.org space. I agree to disagree and move to more important articles. YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 03:26, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as currently has no content as one ref fails to demonstrate notability. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 07:40, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Bogus.
 * トレント (Torento) as spelled is a non-Japanese, non-Chinese name, and it is beyond unlikely that a Japanese Shinto god would have an un-nativized foreign name.
 * Some of this user's edits about this so-called Torento god link instead to Amaterasu, strongly suggesting profound confusion at best, or (more likely) vandalism. C.f. the wikitext at de:User_talk:YodogawaKamlyn.
 * The image is of Sakurayama Shrine in Morioka, Iwate Prefecture. The image caption at [[:File:Sakurayama_Shrine.png]] clearly lists トレントの神 (Torento no kami, where kami means "god, deity"), not トレントの上 (Torento no kami, parseable as "upstream of the Trent river"), so even if this were a valid article, the Japanese spelling is incorrect.
 * The name of the uploader of that photo is given as Kobayashi Kazuo, linking through to User:YodogawaKamlyn. Despite the Japanese-ness of the name Kobayashi Kazuo, the user doesn't seem to write Japanese very well.  Their contributions to the JA WP are described by the editors there as machine translation in the deletion discussion for the JA version of this same Torento no kami page, where the editors also discuss the apparent lack of Japanese language ability, and this user's EN WP user page talks about Korean, but makes no mention of Japanese.
 * Neither the originally plagiarized article at https://en.japantravel.com/iwate/sakurayama-shrine/3378 nor the Sakurayama Jinja website itself (in Japanese) mention anything about "Torento". As noted both in the JA WP article and on the shrine website's "history" page, the shrine is dedicated to Awaji-maru Daimyōjin, where Awaji maru is the name of the section of Morioka Castle where the shrine is located (see Morioka_Castle), and Daimyōjin is a kind of generic title for various deities (see the linked page).  Nothing about any Torento.
 * The shrine was dedicated in 1749, well before either the toponym and English and Scottish surname "Trent", or the Italian city name "Trento" (from either of which Torento could derive) would have been known in Japan outside of any areas where contact with foreigners was more common (such as Nagasaki). Morioka is very far away from such areas.
 * Not only is the Torento-no-kami page itself problematic, but in addition, nothing about this user's conduct across several wikis suggests that this user is acting in good faith. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 05:09, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * *Comment Why did you mention me when I already agreed to delete the page/article? YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 05:59, 21 May 2018 (UTC) Eiríkr Útlendi
 * Comment You don't have the ability to delete the article and as the creator of it being mentioned is nothing out of the ordinary. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 06:11, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment RichardWeiss I'm fairly sure, the Admin(s) will remove it , I never said I had any ability. I made a few bad choices and have already owned up too it and undid my reversions YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 06:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment They might or might not, you have to understand that when you publish an article on wikipedia you don't have the right to delete it. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 07:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: If you claim to want the page deleted, and to have "undone your [edits]", why are you still adding references to the article - the latest: "Yujiro, Fukuyama Yujiro (2017). Tales of Japanese History." Does this book mention this claimed "Torento-no-kami"? If not why would you add it in good faith to the article? Have you also gone and cleaned up your minor vandalism to ja:WP (inserting random spaces into Japanese text)? Imaginatorium (talk) 06:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: It actually does, (I'm using these as a learning experience , I also edit it cause it's going to get deleted anyway.) and Yes, I went and cleaned the ja:WP you can check my contribution if yo need too verify. YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 07:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I just deleted your last addition to this page (here it is: "Also my comment above shows *Delete. Imaginatorium"). Do not add text after your signature, especially when it includes other people's user names. undefined The "book" you cited was apparently "published" yesterday, cannot be found on ISBN searches, and from this Amazon page looks awfully like it is self-published. By you, perhaps? undefined Thank you for removing the vandalism from ja:WP. Imaginatorium (talk) 07:24, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: A Book is A Book, (and I'm not saying it was me.) and no problem about the vandalism. YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 07:55, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: Amazon's "Look Inside" feature allows users to see some of the actual writing. It is, frankly, awful, and includes gems like this:

 Japanese traditional knowledge Introduction wherever we have a tendency to|can we|will we} come back from? what is going to happen to United States of America after we die? however ought we to live our lives? we tend to still raise these queries nowadays. In fact, the will to raise them could also be one amongst the items that creates United States of America human.
 * I'll stop there. This book has clearly never been competently edited.  I'll hazard the guess that the rest of the content is similarly of dubious quality.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:05, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as fiction. Most hilarious ingredient within what's above: this link, reinforced by the observation that "A Book is A Book". Most alarming: "I agree to disagree and move to more important articles"; no, YodogawaKamlyn, please keep well away from more important articles. -- Hoary (talk) 22:13, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


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