Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Torn (Evergrey album)


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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Torn (Evergrey album)

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Fails WP:NALBUM / WP:GNG. AllMusic does have a review of this album, but they have been the only reliable source that I have been able to locate in a WP:BEFORE search for this album. Metal Storm (webzine)'s coverage is just proof that the album existed and is not a review etc. This album does not appear to pass criterion 1 due to the fact that it does not satisfy the "multiple, non-trivial" part of "multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble who created it" from WP:NALBUM, which was adapted from WP:GNG. The album does not appear to have charted that I can find, with sverigetopplistan returning no results; based on this, the album appears to not satisfy criterion #2 (charted) either. The SandDoctor Talk 04:25, 12 October 2020 (UTC); expanded 17:43, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  The SandDoctor  Talk 04:25, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  The SandDoctor  Talk 04:25, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:39, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: Notable album by a notable band. Heiko Gerber (talk) 17:00, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rationale expanded. It does not appear that there is enough coverage to warrant a separate article for the album itself. -- The SandDoctor Talk 17:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge all albums to Evergrey discography. The track listings can be condensed into collapsed templates there. BD2412  T 19:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to this. -- The SandDoctor Talk 03:53, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per Heiko Gerber. I found some reliable sources which talk about the album:, , , , and . With these, the album is good enough to pass WP:NALBUM.  ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 16:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Blabbermouth decent source overall, but the coverage in this instance is fairly short, with the bulk of it consisting of interview quotes. Interviews do not add anything towards demonstrating notability.
 * metalstorm.net The fact that the author field is tied to someone's Steam account gives great pause and indicates WP:SPS territory, thus disqualifying it as a source for Wikipedia purposes. metalstorm.net is not an article, which doesn't alleviate this any, nor does its absence from WP:RSP. not RS per WP:MUSICRS due to the fact that it is from before 2009
 * metal-archives is an unreliable source, as explicitly listed at WikiProject Metal
 * metalreviews is not a source that I am very familiar with, but they are not listed in WP:RSP nor have an article on Wikipedia. This does concern me when it comes to reliability; this concern is not alleviated any when it appears to be a self-published blog post about the album by a fan.
 * metal-temple the site itself is of potentially questionable notability (also not listed at WP:RSP and appearing WP:SPS). The coverage here lacks depth.
 * AllMusic is the first unquestionably notable source with a somewhat decent review written to a professional standard.
 * Overall, this album appears to run into problems with WP:NOTINHERETED, WP:NRV, and a general lack of non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable publications. -- The SandDoctor Talk 06:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC); amended based on newly discovered info 04:27, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 20:55, 20 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 04:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I haven't looked deeply into this but the Evergrey discography mentions two national charts with a peak of 4 for Sweden. Gab4gab (talk) 15:15, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


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