Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toronto Irish F.C.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Deleted before AfD closure already. Tone 21:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Toronto Irish F.C.

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Amateur association football club that does not compete at a notable level. Pub team. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are similar organisations:

Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, non-notable amateur club. I didn't find any results in the news or any other reliable source.    Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 02:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete and tagged accordingly. No creditable indication of importance and no coverage in reliable sources. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Copying relevant comments from my talk page and the Toronto Irish F.C. talk page Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC):

Hi,

I have noted your proposal for deletion of the Toronto Irish wikipage. I wanted to make sure you were better informed about our team and therefore didn't consider it a "not notable pub team". I have added all the information where possible in the page, and your objection was useful in making me realise that there was information lacking. Thanks for bringing that to light.

TIFC is joining the TSSL for the 2010 season. This is the biggest and most prestigious amateur league in Toronto. I was able to easily find another TSSL team page (Morton FC) which has not been objected to. I'm sure there are others if I had time to look.

The club is properly run with a committee, constitution, bank accounts, and articles of association.

The organisation has been of enormous help to players that have arrived in the city with no network to call on. It's particularly useful for those who don't play GAA and would otherwise not be able to get involved in the sport they love. As far as we're aware, we're the only Irish specific football team in Toronto.

Thanks for highlighting what needed to be added to our page. If you're ever in Toronto you're welcome to come and see our team in action

Take care

Torontoirish (talk) 20:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be very unfair to delete this page for the following reasons:

The club is moving up to TSSL. As I pointed out to the original objector, Morton FC, another TSSL club in Toronto, has a wikipedia page. No objection has been lodged to their page, which presumably has been on wikipedia for a lot longer, since they are a much older club.

Furthermore AC Vaughan, a team in the same league in which TIFC played last year, which is a much smaller organisation and has no plans to go TSSL, has a page.

I have added a youtube clip of the team playing in the links section. As you can see, we are playing in a proper stadium, spectators are present and clearly visible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Torontoirish (talk • contribs) 07:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I fail to see how someone in Scotland can assess the validity of our team, our page, or anything else to do with us. If the objection came from someone in Toronto, it would carry much more weight.

If editors decide to delete our page, then they must also delete Morton FC and AC Vaughan. Anything else would be double standards. I will respectfully accept deletion if they are also deleted.

Have indicated to the original objector in a very well mannered communication what we do and how it goes beyond football in a detailed message. He still asserts that we are a "pub team" without any evidence to back it up.

In no way are we "promoting" ourselves or otherwise infringing wikipedia rules. The team is a community organisation and loses money. We have community group account status with the City of Toronto.

It's unfortunate that we don't court publicity apparently. I recently turned down a request for an interview from a freelance journalist about our team. Maybe if I hadn't, I would have some "evidence" that would satisfy objectors.

Anyway I shall leave it in the hands of the editors to decide, which I assume they will do based on their in depth knowledge of the Toronto soccer scene. Torontoirish (talk) 07:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think the comments above address the concerns in WP:N or WP:ATHLETE. There isn't any independent coverage of the clubs. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Morton FC Toronto. The claim to be the oldest active club in North America saves it from speedy deletion but the claim is not even close with Croatian Eagles taking that title by some 67 years! Fails WP:N with no substantial coverage in reliable sources. Further, it does not even play in the main Toronto league (in itself an amateur league) but in the media division. Bridgeplayer (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Bridgeplayer, but you are mistaken about something in your comment about Morton F.C. They do indeed play in the media division of the TSSL. This does not automatically imply a lesser division. The reason why it is separate is because it is the ONLY division in the TSSL which plays on Saturdays. Nothing whatsoever to do with a lesser standard. This is the problem. We have editors sounding off about things and they don't actually know what they're talking about. It'd be nice if they did.Torontoirish (talk) 01:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

On top of which you say the writer claims they are the "oldest active club in North America" They claim nothing of the sort. They claim to be the oldest active club in the TSSL "the oldest soccer league in North America". If you're going to be giving reasons for deletion you might actually read it properly first.

At the end of the day probably neither club gives a damn if their page is deleted. But pedantry from ill informed people is not a pretty sight.Torontoirish (talk) 01:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seems odd to be arguing that the teams are notable, when there isn't even a page for the league! Nfitz (talk) 04:18, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: Morton clearly do not play at a high enough level to be notable. As Nfitz says, even the league they play in can't be written about. -- Big  Dom  09:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

As the keeper for Morton Toronto Fc and one of the original contributors to our page (which was deleted with not as much as an email or notification). Granted we had stopped working on the page in an open forum, but a full re-work has been in the works for some time. We are actively trying to establish a link with our parent squad of the same name. Frankly We do give a damn that you deleted our page! We currently have former British figure skater Steven Cousins as a member of our squad. (wikipedia him, he is there) Would we be more relavent if we started mentioning him. Quite frankly torontoirish, I`m offended by the way you threw other people under the bus to try to make your point. It is classless and we will make you pay for it on the pitch given the chance to face you. I appreciate your attempts to save face, but frankly the lip service is just that. We will be back with more content, a proper history and an undeniable story that a bunch of twits behind a computer can`t dispute. Futue te ipsum (our team motto and words you all might bother living by) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Damodemian (talk • contribs) 02:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)