Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toyosi Shittabey


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. We have almost a 2:1 majority in favor of deletion, but that's not quite consensus. Whether something is a BLP1E / routine news topic or not is a matter of editorial judgment, so I can't weigh one side's arguments more than the other's.  Sandstein   19:18, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Toyosi Shittabey

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non notable victim  DGG ( talk ) 21:42, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep -Extensive newspaper coverage, available with a quick Google search, supports the notability of Shittabey's murder and its effects on race relations and human rights in Ireland. Perhaps change name of article to "Murder of Toyosi Shittabey?" ABF99 (talk) 01:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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 * Rename: I'm neutral on this one but if kept it should be renamed for what it is: Murder of Toyosi Shittabey. ww2censor (talk) 09:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: I am grateful for the advice given here. I am an Irish anti racism activist and I am currently part of the Wikipedia for Peace 2015 program in Vienna. While i have anonymous edited wikipedia articles in the past this is my first account and first article i have created. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_for_Peace_2015 This was given nation wide media attention in Ireland in 2010 and also in the UK as well, so i was very surprised to see that there wasn't a wikipedia page about it, hence why i started one. I will continue to edit it, in order to make it better. LnrwhiIRE (talk) 09:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Move to Death of Toyosi Shittabey or Murder of Toyosi Shittabey, as he was not famous before his tragic death. This is standard wikipedia practice for individuals who only become notable after/because of their deaths. Snappy (talk) 18:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS, run-of-the-mill murder case, supposed criminal is dead, another accused person was acquitted, end of story. This article only serves to smear the acquitted defendant, so it violates also WP:BLPCRIME. The two sources given by ABF99 are from the immediate aftermath of the crime, there is no lasting impact, to go beyond the one-event-guideline. Kraxler (talk) 17:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - per Kraxler. I have struck out my move !vote. Snappy (talk) 18:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete' per Kraxler exactly. Worth noting that large swathes of this is also unreferenced and (if it wasn't in the middle of an AfD) should have been removed. Daniel (talk) 02:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - there are so many news articles about the murder and trial that went on over quite a long period of time. Alec Station (talk) 10:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - the key is the lasting impact. Searches show that this really had none (other for the victim of course). Agree with Kraxler's assessment.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:10, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   15:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Whatever the circumstances were of the murder, there is little to write about here and no lasting effect; this is no Stephen Lawrence. Myname is not dave (talk/contribs) 18:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - WP:NOTNEWS, WP:NOTMEMORIAL. GiantSnowman 08:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - has not stood the test of time. Delete as per Kraxler Spiderone  09:43, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - From looking at Google Books and the various news commentaries written significantly after the man's death, it appears clear that the event (which, at the time, was well documented by many sources) has had a lasting impact. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 02:05, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep the article is poorly sourced, but a search on google news turns up not only extensive, national coverage of crime and trial, but ongoing coverage in stories such as  showing that the incident is familiar to newspaper readers and that it is part of the ongoing conversation about racism in Ireland.  Extensive, intensive, nationwide coverage that extends through and beyond trial are what moves incident past WP:NOTNEWS and marks them as keepers.  Contrary to some opinions above, a quick search establishes that this was anything but a "run of the mill" crime.  WP:NOTMEMORIAL is irrelevant; page should be cleaned up as per NPOV, sourced, and moved to Murder of Toyosi Shittabey.  E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:14, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Source # 1 is a list of search results that are all from April (crime) and December (trial) 2012, crime and trial are "one event", there is no coverage after the trial. # 2 is the most trivial mention I've seen in a while, it's not about the subject of this article. Kraxler (talk) 16:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - More than enough coverage to establish notability here. Article needs lots of work but there's no doubt that the subject meets GNG. Support moving to "Murder of..." Fyddlestix (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:NOTNEWS. The article is more about the event than the actual victim, and the event lacks lasting effects.  Ultimately, the subject is a non-notable victim of a non-notable crime.  Also, as Kraxler said above, there are some issues with WP:BLPCRIME—if not explicitly against the policy, certainly against the spirit of the policy. Inks.LWC (talk) 04:26, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If kept, the article certainly needs to be moved to Murder of..  or Death of Toyosi Shittabey, so let's assume that if kept it will be moved and discuss notability.  Here are the results of searching Toyosi Shittabey  on google books:   It is discussion of this kind, after the breaking news stories has come and gone, that make an incident, a crime, a murder pass WP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:25, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete I agree 100% with Kraxler who says it all. NOTNEWS, one event, no long-term impact. --Randykitty (talk) 17:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Inks.LWC (and Kraxler, who showed specifics). We have a bad habit on WP of conflating what are at best BIO1E event articles (crime or otherwise) with actual personal depth of coverage BIO articles, which are separable from individual events.  The fact that this has had no long-term impact automatically disqualifies it from the encyclopedia. MSJapan (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


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