Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trail Bologna


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. By sheer numbers this would be a "no consensus" decision, but the delete camp has rightly pointed out the various holes in the arguments to keep. The new sources provided give only extremely trivial mentions, for example the L.A. Times coverage consists of a single sentence that mentions they make bologna in Trail and have been for along time and leaves it at that. Well known in Homes County ≠ general notability as defined on Wikipedia. (As an aside I would also mention that I was born and raised in Ohio and lived there for more than 25 years and I've never heard of this before this AFD, so the argument that it is even notable in Ohio strikes me as somewhat flawed.) No prejudice against recreation as a redirect to a brief mention in the Homes County article, which would better reflect the level of attention it has received from reliable sources. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:13, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Trail Bologna

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Non-notable product, bordering on promotion. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:24, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - appears to be well known in Ohio, Google shows 30K hits, although a lot are recipes. Seems a local, but notable food item, similar to It's-It Ice Cream in the San Francisco Bay Area.  The article could use expansion and more references though.  Sea photo Talk  18:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't say "it needs more references" unless you can prove that more exist. I see the same thing happen every time someone says "keep but expand with more sources". The article then gets a crapflood of "keep but source more" !votes, it gets kept, and then no one ever gets around to adding the sources. Most of the time this is because someone will say "it needs more sources" but there truly are none. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 20:30, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


 * My keep is based on the number of Google hits and mentions, since the delete was for notability. I then stated that the article needs more sources, which I didn't see on the web. With an older, regional company, they may be in book form or elsewhere. Please note, that I didn't vote, "Keep, but expand", nor did I say WP:ITSNOTABLE; I provided a concrete, verifiable reason for my vote.  You can certainly feel free to disagree.  Sea photo Talk  22:45, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete despite Seaphoto's WP:ITSNOTABLE !vote I'm not convinced that it's notable, nor am I convinced that any non-trivial sources exist. Google Books showed only one-sentence mentions. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 20:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Trail Bologna is a folk food and an important element of the unique history of Holmes County, Ohio, which also contains the largest Old Order Amish settlement in the world. Trail Bologna is the product of the blending of cultures in the area.  Due to it being a rural and sparsely populated area, electronic resources on historical facts are scarce, making it a difficult and time consuming process to locate solid sources to quote.  However, given time to locate appropriate sources the article will greatly expand.Jshisler1 (talk) 18:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC) — Jshisler1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep The many articles on various websites show that this food item is widely known and talked about. Does anyone seriously doubt this? Borock (talk) 02:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. In addition to the above, more than 50 hits at Google Books and nearly 200 at Google News archives back up what's offered so far.  (Many of them are from local papers, e.g., but here's a mention in the Los Angeles Times.) Article badly needs a clean-up and wikilinking, but this seems to be a legitimately notable bit of local folkway cuisine. Let's bite the bologna and not the newbie creators of this article.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 02:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's a little odd to say that being mentioned in the LA Times makes something notable. Borock (talk) 06:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Please link to the actual search and not to the article about Google Books, when you cite such a search as a "Keep" argument. We should not have to guess what search parameters you used. It is also desirable that you specifically cite what you feel to be strong references, and not just allude to some search you did. For instance a [Google Book search produces a great many hits unrelated to the subject of this article, where the author is talking about some bologna he ate on the trail, or where the words just appear adjacent in separate sentences. [[User:Edison|Edison]] (talk) 19:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete or Merge to Holmes County, Ohio after adding an entry there for the hamlet of Trail . The three newspaper refs above only mention it in a travel guide articles about rural Ohio, and mention it in connection to the hamlet. Not every locally known food that a travel writer eats and mentions in a column needs a standalone article in an encyclopedia. The coverage is a bit skimpy to be the basis for a standalone spammy article which promotes the commercial product. Edison (talk) 19:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - maybe I could also create a special dish, get a local restaurant to serve it and a few local newspapers to report on it and create a wikipedia article? This is definitely promotional in nature, perhaps it could be mentioned in the Holmes County, Ohio article? WikiManOne (talk) 23:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.