Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tran Van Ba

''Below are the votes extracted from the discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion/Tran Van Ba. Note that this is also now discussed on RfC, see Requests for comment/Tran Van Ba and Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Tran Van Ba.''

Vanity page by User:Tran Van Ba. He claims to be the His Excellency the Imperial Dragon of Ping Pong (or whatever it was), but appears not to have done anything notable except flood the wiki with lots of POV pages on Asian royalty who are "tirelessly campaigning for human rights", etc etc etc. Dunc_Harris|&#9786; 14:41, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I am not an Imperial Dragon. ping 08:25, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment What he claims to be is "Chancellor of The Imperial Order of the Dragon of Annam to Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh." I see no reason why you should not state this claim correctly. I think the opening paragraph should be edited to read as follows. I considered doing this myself but decided that would be out of line. If you accept my suggestion, then please delete this comment. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 00:17, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Proposed rewording: He claims to be the Chancellor of The Imperial Order of the Dragon of Annam, but appears not to have done anything notable except flood the wiki with lots of POV pages on Asian royalty who are "tirelessly campaigning for human rights", etc etc etc.


 * Delete. Sorry, Tran, but you're just not supposed to write articles about yourself.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 18:56, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Gwalla is quite correct. Fire Star 19:32, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * If autobiography, delete. The page and most of the edits were done by User:Tran Van Ba. The similarity between this user's name and that of the subject of the article creates an impression that the article was written by Tran Van Ba, the subject of the article, himself. Long-established Wikipedia policy calls for deletion of autobiographies. This is completely separate from any issues about the importance of Asian royal families. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 00:10, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Tran Van Ba's racism accusations are nonsense. And until he calms down and stops foaming at the mouth, nobody is going to take him seriously. Delete. RickK 02:57, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete for being vanity/autobiography. If the subject deserves an article, let it be written by an unbiased and hopefully more reasonable third party.   &mdash;Triskaideka 05:25, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Keep. Looks like the issue is about to resolve unexpectedly. Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Tran_Van_Ba. If Tran Van Ba is not real-life Tran Van Ba, then the "autobiography" argument is inapplicable. Mikkalai 08:21, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

My vote(s): If an autobiography, then delete, if a biography, then clean up. Aecis 16:14, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC) (Comment edited afterwards)
 * Delete with extreme prejudice. Kook, vanity entry, inaccuracy. --Improv 20:36, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep I have done corrections and this biography and stated in my summary (The biography is neutral and strictly to the work he has done and his Appointment) It is not autobiography Jimmyvanthach
 * This appears to be User:Tran Van Ba's sockpuppet, but I think we need to go to the requests for comment first. Dunc_Harris|&#9786; 22:34, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Since we apparently must vote or have our comments removed, I vote Delete. Those interested in Tran Van Ba and the recent "revival" of the Order of the Dragon should read the correspondance on the [alt.talk.royalty] group. It would seem that Wikipedia is once again being used to present questionable claims as if they were unquestioned, and as a mean of publicising those claims. Also probably of interest will be the posts from the same group regarding Carl Lindgren - Nunh-huh 22:55, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: Only lengthy discussions have been moved, see Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. Andrewa 00:45, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment 2: Unfortunately, this may be an example of the dangers of moving comments out of the discussion thread. It can create more work (and ill will) than it saves.  Rossami
 * Delete. Ambi 09:05, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - vanity - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  22:20, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: members of any organization, be it the Order of Annam or the Skull and Bones, do not get their own entries just for being members if they are not individually notable. -Sean Curtin 00:08, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable, non-interesting.  Terrapin 16:03, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete garbage from person with history of spewing such garbage across the internet. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 05:29, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)