Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TransLink fares (British Columbia)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I don't find arguments that this is useful to be policy based when there is no evidence put forward what encyclopaedic value there is in keeping a list of bus fares. The NOTTRAVEL votes seem more based on policy and haven been given greater weightr Spartaz Humbug! 11:51, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

TransLink fares (British Columbia)

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A fully comprehensive list of public transport fares. Wikipedia is WP:NOTTRAVEL Ajf773 (talk) 07:17, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 07:22, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 07:17, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 07:17, 8 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Wow! This will be good for any backpack traveller! But delete per WP:NOTTRAVEL. Ernestchuajiasheng (talk) 13:49, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Also misleading title: Metro Vancouver is not all of BC by any stretch. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe it's an attempt to disambiguate between the other Translinks rather than saying the fares apply throughout BC, as the parent article is TransLink (British Columbia). Still a valid point though.  " Pepper "  @ 04:59, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep This is not attempting to be a travel guide... it's not like it's saying: "check out these great locations in Metro Vancouver!" It's explaining how the local transit authority does fares and zones. The "(British Columbia)" bit is historical, based on needing to disambiguate it from other Translinks. Also, this type of article is hardly without precedent for major city transit systems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyconnick (talk • contribs) 03:41, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Providing info about how much it costs for every type of journey, concessions, and season tickets is exactly how this fails WP:NOTTRAVEL. Ajf773 (talk) 02:26, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: That information can be removed. Just because one aspect of the article might not meet Wikipedia's standards doesn't mean rest of the article can't. You've offered no alternative solutions and it appears you've done very little research on this subject. TransLink could be implementing distant based fares on the SkyTrain and bus systems at some point in the near future (Source: Transit Fare Review Phase 3). That information would fit well in this article.
 * I also want to point out that there appears to be a double standard; why is this article being picked on for including ticket fares and passes prices when other articles such as TTC fares and NYC transit fares include this information? I believe it's because of the low contribution levels that would result in little opposition. Northwest (talk) 03:39, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There are no double standards here. This is an AfD for this particular article only. I'll get to the others. Ajf773 (talk) 03:41, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: You still refuse to admit that there is anything of value in this article. Northwest (talk) 03:47, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Because there isn't any need for it. Encyclopedic content would be best served on the TransLink (British Columbia) article. Ajf773 (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: I would have preferred if you had suggested a merger and not an AfD. I would have less of a problem with that as it would preserve over 12 years of contributions. There is important information in this article that could be present in TransLink (British Columbia) such as the West Coast Express having a separate fare system from the rest of the TransLink network.
 * Also, I don't think historic fare systems and products belong in the main TransLink article. This article makes more sense since there is a rich history of old fare systems in Metro Vancouver (PDF) that is noteworthy and belongs here instead as it is not relevant in the day-to-day operations of TransLink. Perhaps move this article to Fare system in Metro Vancouver as TransLink has only existed since 1998. Northwest (talk) 07:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Possibly that would be more sufficient. Ajf773 (talk) 09:49, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - I feel the article needs to be cleaned up and/or restructured rather than deleted. 174.1.15.82 (talk) 05:53, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Cleaned up??? How exactly? Ajf773 (talk) 02:26, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: See above. Northwest (talk) 03:39, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The question was not for you. Ajf773 (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep Primarily primary sources, but there is useful encyclopedic information in the article, in among some of the cruft and repeated content. Assuming that the old information is not deleted, when the new fare process comes into effect over the next year, this will be valuable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:OR.Charles (talk) 22:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: This article needs some work that's for sure, but there is some valuable information that should be kept. I've had this article on my list for cleanup projects for a while but I haven't been able to get around to it yet. I certainly can't do anything now until a decision is made. I'm urging anyone interested in providing feedback on the matter to consider what the article should be and not what it presently is. Northwest (talk) 00:01, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I echo the points and comments of Joeyconnick and Northwest. I would be happy with a merger or a move as well, given that this article's historical content is preserved. Sweetnhappy (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge en masse to TransLink (British Columbia). TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:02, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:16, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Merge if you want, but a manually-maintained replica of a government price list is a fool's errand. It will always be behind the times. Think like Kant: should WP be the repository of every bus fare or train fare or airline fare? No. Rhadow (talk) 13:22, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * In retrospect I agree and don’t think we want to merge everything over. The dollar figures as you suggest should not be moved. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  06:54, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It should not only reflect the current rates, but the rates over time, which a government site isn't likely to do. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why it is the purpose of an encyclopedia to keep a running history of fares and when they increase. Ajf773 (talk) 21:54, 20 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.