Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trans Australia Airlines Flight 454


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 19:55, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Note that the article was moved during the AFD to the new title Queensland 1982 Airport robberies - but, since no substantive changes were made to the content of the article, I've deleted the new title as per the consensus here. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Trans Australia Airlines Flight 454

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Interesting crime but WP:NOTNEWS should apply IF the story is true. This article has been tagged for over two years for its lacking citations. I've done a preliminary search of google, google news archive and Aviation Safety Network and came up with nada for the name of the pilot, one of the supposed quotes, and one of those arrested. WP:Hoax might also apply. William 22:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


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 * Weak delete. All I can find is a one sentence blurb in this government report [Note: Word doc that is slow loading], that is cited verbatim in this newspaper article, but the newspaper article gives no additional commentary about the flight. I'm going with "weak" because I can imagine that there was more coverage at the time, but I have no proof of that. Location (talk) 22:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I found a news article, so it did happen. The wikipedia article doesn't match the news story. This still fails WP:GNG- William 02:09, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Searching "Great Plane Robbery", there appears to be a little more here. Location (talk) 03:03, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * One of the article's two references (i.e. "Interview Captain David Spring-Brown with Greg Weir (29th March 2008)") appears to be a primary source that likely fails WP:RS, however, the captain's name is confirmed in this roster and in this portrait. Location (talk) 03:09, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It appears the event occurred. There is another story (replica of the one quoted above by William) in the New Straits Times dated 23/9/1982 and in the Los Angeles Times. The story also appears on a search of the SMH Archives, Sunday, November 11, 1990 (can only read a small extract without a subscription) Geez-oz (talk) 10:29, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. I believe the event occurred as four seperate news sources have now been identified (quoted above). The event is notable as 20 years after the event it is quoted in a this ATSB Government Report Geez-oz (talk) 10:29, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, Move or Merge - Find another project to put this in as it will only get deleted if you leave it in Aviation.Petebutt (talk) 09:53, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Though there is some evidence that the event occurred, I think "some evidence" is too poor a standard for inclusion in the encyclopaedia. Before we even get to considering notability and WP:NOTNEWS, we have to be absolutely certain that the event took place, and there seems to be some doubt. In its current form the article just reads like one huge trivia piece, and when I consider how long the article has been tagged for without eliciting any improvement, I reach the conclusion that the best option is to get rid. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 22:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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