Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transformers 4 (film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Transformers (film series).  MBisanz  talk 00:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Transformers 4 (film)

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I'm going about this deletion nomination a tad oddly: I feel this page meets the A10 criterion for speedy deletion, but I realize that unilateral speedy deletion is too controversial. (My previous nomination was twice contested, and ultimately challenged and removed in good faith.) Therefore I'm submitting this to AfD with the official opinion that it should be speedily deleted (as AfD discussions can result in speedy deletions). My rationale is as follows: the introduction is just a paraphrase of information already presented at Transformers (film series) (herein "the main article"); the Cast section is a reiteration of information presented in the main article and elsewhere on this page (excluding the presumably false claim that Glenn Morshower's character's name will be "General Morshower); the Production/Development and Casting sections are word-for-word copies of the main article. In other words, though this article may look longer than the section of the main one, it's actually just the same content spread out more (literally, though figuratively too).  Unless anyone feels that the relevant section of the main article should actually be moved to this one (which would almost definitely fail a notability test), I see no option other than A10 speedy deletion.  — Francophonie&#38;Androphilie  (Je vous invite à me parler ) 02:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Transformers (film series). Will this film become notable once it starts filming and gets released? Yep- no question about that. But has it actually started filming? Nope- the film is still in the beginning stages and the casting isn't even yet complete. I think that it's just a teensy bit WP:TOOSOON to have an article for this film at this point in time. I have no doubt that this might change in a month or two, but then a lot can happen in a month. I've seen a lot of "guaranteed" movies end up getting completely scrapped or put on indefinite hold within a two month point in time, only to go through an almost complete re-write of the script and be released as something else entirely. The Chipmunks movie "Chipwrecked" is a good example of this, as it was originally supposed to be called "Alvin and the Chipmunks 3D" among other things and the concept was thrown to the side for some reason and released simply as Chipwrecked. My point is that this could very well happen to this film as well, so until we have more coverage for the film and principal filming starts, having an article for the movie (which doesn't even have an official title yet, I notice) is a little premature.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:12, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- Cheers,  Riley   Huntley  05:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. -- Cheers,  Riley   Huntley  05:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect As Tokyogirl79 says, this is highly unlikely to be the final release title (since its predecessors didn't have numbered titles), and it currently fails movie notability guidelines, but it is a likely search term. --Colapeninsula (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Tokyogirl79. § FreeRangeFrog 21:24, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Proposition. Since I still feel this meets A10, would anybody consider changing their vote to "speedy redirect"? — Francophonie&#38;Androphilie  (Je vous invite à me parler ) 21:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect title but Incubate content. As the article contains more sourced and different information about this planned film than exists in Transformers (film series), and could certianly benefit from expansion through regular editing, this possibly noitable topic does not quite qualify for an A10 deletion... much less a "speedy redirect" as if we do not have other options to discuss. As principle filming is expected to begin in Spring, and it is easily sourcable that Michael Bay is planning the project and that the topic of a 4th Transformer film IS receiving significant coverage (IE: Who has missed that Michael Bay is offering the winner of the Doritos "Crash The Superbowl" contest wins a small role in the film.) I would expect that before too much longer this one could even merit being a reasonable exception to WP:NFF and this discussion could certainly itself benefit from this AFD running the full 7 days. While Tokyogirl79's suggestion for a redirect is acceptable, another consideration is that while the title could be redirected, this topic could itself be placed in the incubator for a couple months so it could benefit from collaborative editing, expansion, and sourcing as its time draws nigh.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: Page creator indefblocked as a sockpuppet. — Francophonie&#38;Androphilie  (Je vous invite à me parler ) 17:49, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sad event... even if handled through Quack rather than CU. As this contributor's behavior has been handled, improving the project requires consideration of a topic's growing notability through growing coverage.More important now that we consider how to best handle an article on a topic that is itself approaching notability, even if not quite yet ready for mainspace... point being that no matter who brought it to Wikipedia, the topic IS receiving coverage.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:27, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect - There is no need to incubate. Any material sourced material about the Transformers 4 movie can be expanded in the section of the main article.  This allows all editors easy access for collaborative editting.  The section with all of its updates then can be spun off to a separate article when the time is ripe. -- Whpq (talk) 19:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per WP:NFF, content can be included at Transformers (film series) until notability is met.  Not sure whether we need the redirect, as the disambiguation is probably unnecessary, likewise Transformers 4 (2014 film).  However, leaving the redirect may deter premature article recreation.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In my opinion we should keep this page. --Rayukk (talk) 16:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Based on what policies and guidelines? -- Whpq (talk) 17:33, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.