Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trash culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. If anything there's a consensus that the article is, at best, problematic, but there is not a consensus for deletion or indeed any other specific action. Suggestions that the article be retitled/repurposed or merged somewhere are probably good ones but there's no agreement here as to how to go about doing that. I'd recommend that those who participated in this AfD continue the conversation on the talk page as merging/moving/turning into a redirect can all be discussed there. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 15:04, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Trash culture

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Non-notable term, biased with a political point of view, and no sources! Not a single one. Beret work (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: A quick database search of the term yielded 8 results (from most to least recent): A review of a Sex with Lurch record in Lesbian News, Jan. 2004 ("...all of it is a romantic glimpse of trash culture and precious tranny rock." Three reviews of the Richard Keller Simon Book -- American Literature, Jun. 2002, Virginia Quarterly Review, Spr. 2000, and Library Journal, Nov. 1, 1999.  A false hit in Rolling Stone, Sept. 2, 1999 ("Part of [Kid] Rock's twisted appeal is that he's the first white hip-hopper to embrace and glorify white-trash culture in the same way that many black rappers have turned the hoarlest Shaft stereotypes into badges of mackness").  Scholarly article: "The Alien in Our Midst: Trash Culture and Good Americans in John Gardner's October Light," Novel: A Forum on Fiction, Spring97.  A mention in Newsweek, Oct. 16, 1995, describing P.T. Barnum: "Perhaps unintentionally, they also establish him as the father of that uniquely American art form: trash culture."  And finally, the cover story of Human Events, Jun. 16, 1995: "There is no defending today's trash culture," a screed on Nine Inch Nails lyrics, Natural Born Killers, pornography, &c.  The article was reprinted from the New York Post.  Other databases yield similar results.  Discounting the book reviews, which are slightly different animals, none of the articles discuss the term itself; they simply use it as if its meaning were understood in the discussion of other subjects.  They therefore are not suitable for use sources for this article.  My gut feeling is a perfectly cromulent article could probably be written on the subject, but thus far I have not found sources necessary to do so. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 20:21, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * KEEP I'm not sure how voting here works, but this page should be kept. Seeing that there are magazines about trash culture, art refrencing trash culture, and many other third party validations this should be kept as an encylopedic entry.Nazlfrag (talk) 15:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pmlineditor   ∞  09:43, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment. This would appear to be from a 1999 book by Richard Keller Simon.  The article may be giving us Simon's conclusions without telling us it's about a book of this title.  No opinion on whether the book is notable or deserves an article. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Highly biased original research. EeepEeep (talk) 21:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Rename to the book title. This article should be about the book that covers this topic. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Click the Google news search up top, and it shows 1,060 results for "trash culture". Reading through that, it seems the media uses this expression quite a lot.  A notable term, which deserves an article defining it, along with examples quoted from the media.   D r e a m Focus  18:40, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A question - when I do that search, I get 433 results without the quotes, and four results with the quotes. Did you mean to say Google news? Perhaps you used something else? Random name (talk) 11:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies - I wasn't clicking on the link above, but was doing the search manually. I'm not sure why they give different results. Random name (talk) 12:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Ive edited this page before and find it to be a notable enough inclusion. Portillo (talk) 00:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Appears to be mostly original research. Sources that are being used to establish notability by "Vexen Crabtree" don't appear to be reliable sources by Wikipedia standards. -- Quar te t  13:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Question - What differs from Trash culture from Low culture, or Lowbrow in general? Would a merge be appropriate? EeepEeep (talk) 21:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - seems more notable as an album by The Bad Detectives than as an encyclopedia article. Any reliably sourced information can be added to the white trash article. Otherwise the content that is attempting to established notability lacks reliable sources, and it seems more like a Dictionary entry than an encyclopedia article. --Yankees76 (talk) 22:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. It appears that the "trash culture" is used differently by different people. Perhaps it should be turned into a disambiguation page.-- Pink Bull  15:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Do not delete, but content probably needs to be merged somewhere. Perhaps this article, and many of the articles linked in the "See also" section need to be restructured.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.