Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Travelers to the Ottoman Empire


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The result was delete. If anyone wants this undeleted and moved to their userspace so they can continue to work on it, please let me know. Daniel (talk) 09:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Travelers to the Ottoman Empire

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Not a reasonable topic for a list article. Many thousands of people visited the Ottoman Empire over its 500 years; the article lists 10, one of whom was born after the polity ceased to exist. Not defining or unusual in any way. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 04:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. If the person listed here who was born in 1940 had really visited the Ottoman Empire (which ended in 1922), she ought to be listed in Category:Time travelers as well. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete considering that for hundreds of years both Greece and what is now Israel were in the Ottoman Empire, and that much of what was ancient Greece is in modern Turkey, this was one of the most popular places to travel by Europeans. It also seems odd we only have European travelers on the list, and not American, Indian (consider that at times Mecca was under the Ottoman Empire), Latin American and so forth. Also consider that If yoyu lived in parts of the Austrian Empire or Russian Empire taveling to the Ottoman Empire was not always that big a deal period. Oh, and the Ottoman Empire also included Egypt at least until end of the 18th century.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:32, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I just realized all the people currently on the list are women. Considering one of them seems to have many traveled to the Ottoman Empire with her more famous traveler husband, this seems odd.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see why this is notable enough for a standalone list. Should we have a list of people who travel to every country/region? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 23:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I actually don’t find the topic all that unreasonable, as travelers’ journals are often cited in early history, but I changed my mind when I saw that the list is short and entirely 19th century. If there are further problems with the facts, by all means, kill it with fire, but I would vote differently if we were talking about 16th century Algeria, fyi, for example. And no, of course we can’t do an exhaustive list, but travel journals are rare for certain periods. For instance, much of what we know about early Central Asia seems to be based on Chinese and European travelers. In other words, I agree in this instance but disagree with it becoming policy Elinruby (talk) 04:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Conceptually nonsensical. Tiny sample of the many who visited, and with no interesting or even meaningful common denominator between them (that I can detect, at least). Therefore doesn't work as a list, and doesn't offer any particular insights. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:42, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Keep This article, in its current state, is basically worthless. However, it might be salvaged if we turn it into a description of major travels (such as the ones of T. E. Lawrence, Gertrude Bell etc. during the later period) which were influential either in the inner settings of the Ottoman Empire, or in the outer world by exporting Ottoman ideas. Of course, it cannot and should not list every person travelling to the Empire, but notable exchanges of ideas could be described more thoroughly. For this, we could have a division of the article in sections corresponding to major events/periods in which the exchanges between the Ottomans and the rest of the world had a decisive impact on either. ProbablyNovarian (talk) 18:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Edited my judgement, as I found a way to start improving the article ProbablyNovarian (talk) 19:20, 13 February 2021 (UTC)


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