Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Travers Collins & Company


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The result was   no consensus. Stifle (talk) 12:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Travers Collins & Company

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At best, the company does not pass WP:ORG, because the available sources are news blurbs and awards that do not pass ORGDEPTH. At worst, it is a highly mis-representative article about a company whose employees left to start their own firm, resulting in a lawsuit. (This may explain the conflict between the 26 employees alleged in the current article and the 5 stated in O'Dwyer's). Notability does not correspond to size exactly, but I would think we would need a pretty strong claim for a 5 or 26 person PR firm to be notable. CorporateM (Talk) 01:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti*Let's talk!* 04:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 15:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Or perhaps "Keep". (Reversed from my first "vote"ing)  It seems notable to me, though I am not associated with the PR industry and don't have a greatly informed perspective.  The mentions of awards seems to establish notability, IMO, despite my having seen it asserted in another PR firm AFD or two that such awards are routine.  For what it's worth, this businessweek.com source asserts that the firm was acquired by The Martin Group, LLC in June 2014.  I see no Martin Group (currently a red-link) article in Wikipedia yet.  Presumably the Martin Group is bigger and perhaps more clearly individually notable, so one resolution could be to redirect this article to a new article on Martin Group.  I could possibly start such an article at Draft:The Martin Group, say, especially if anyone else is interested in helping.  Also broader searching on the following would be relevant:
 * , though unfortunately there are firms in other industries also using the name
 * -- do ncr  am  22:04, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S. This June 30, 2014 article in the Buffalo News, about the acquisition, reports The Martin Group then had 38 employees and Travers Collins was then down to about 15 employees, of which 5 were PR professionals who were going to be kept by The Martin Group (explaining/consistent with the O'Dwyer source that nominator mentioned), and one founder of Travis Collins was retiring and the other was going to stay as a consultant for a while.  Although the article could be viewed as a kind of obituary on Travers Collins, it actually is a reliable good source with considerably more about the Travers Collins firm, and kinda supports keeping the article, whether or not Travers Collins as a name was then completely ended (not clear to me whether the name continues or not).  I think Redirecting to new article on the Martin Group is best, leaving edit history at the redirect. -- do  ncr  am  22:16, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And, i've tried to draft an article at Draft:The Martin Group, intended to serve as a redirect target, and which includes some info and sources copy-pasted from the Travers Collins & Company article. -- do ncr  am  23:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
 * P.S. This June 30, 2014 article in the Buffalo News, about the acquisition, reports The Martin Group then had 38 employees and Travers Collins was then down to about 15 employees, of which 5 were PR professionals who were going to be kept by The Martin Group (explaining/consistent with the O'Dwyer source that nominator mentioned), and one founder of Travis Collins was retiring and the other was going to stay as a consultant for a while.  Although the article could be viewed as a kind of obituary on Travers Collins, it actually is a reliable good source with considerably more about the Travers Collins firm, and kinda supports keeping the article, whether or not Travers Collins as a name was then completely ended (not clear to me whether the name continues or not).  I think Redirecting to new article on the Martin Group is best, leaving edit history at the redirect. -- do  ncr  am  22:16, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And, i've tried to draft an article at Draft:The Martin Group, intended to serve as a redirect target, and which includes some info and sources copy-pasted from the Travers Collins & Company article. -- do ncr  am  23:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.