Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Treasure (South Korean band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:46, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Treasure (South Korean band)

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Redirect to YG Entertainment challenged. As this group have only debuted this month, it may be WP:TOOSOON to have a standalone article. Adam9007 (talk) 01:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , are you sure? For K-pop, I thought all that was necessary was a teaser and a lengthy selection process. I see articles that flaunt NBAND all the time--with one record, and nothing but promotional stuff sourced to Naver and all that. Drmies (talk) 01:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'm not sure of anything. This had been redirected before, so per WP:BLAR I took it here. The group does have some coverage, but they're in sources I'm totally unfamiliar with, some of them are not in English (so I can't tell exactly what they're saying), and a lot of them seem to basically say they've debuted or are going to debut this month. I'd be surprised this this band meets WP:BAND. Adam9007 (talk) 01:16, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I know--I'm just saying that it seems like with K-pop the normal rules don't apply, and that's in large part because of all those websites that allow editors to pretend GNG is passed. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:18, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep the article is taking shape. I have cleaned it up a bit, added cats, refs, and format. The band will launch this month, but they have received so much press that I have to call it a keep.Lightburst (talk) 01:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment You may also want to take a look at Draft:Treasure (band). Adam9007 (talk) 02:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you much! Many Korean language refs in there. Not my specialty! Lightburst (talk) 02:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * And I've just noticed that there was an AfD six months ago, where the consensus was to redirect to YG Entertainment. Adam9007 (talk) 02:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * We may find a new WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. I see they charted on the Billboard Social 50. I believe the Bb is notable. Perhaps 6 mos ago they were not Lightburst (talk) 02:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect or delete. Given that Draft:Treasure (band) exists and is much more detailed and organized than this one, I would prefer to see that one used as the main article once the group makes their debut. Additionally, there are no other notable bands in the world that are also named Treasure, so the distinguisher "(band)" in itself will generally be only referred to the K-pop group Treasure and makes "(South Korean band)" superfluous. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  03:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The draft is a much more confusing mess. I am transferring references from there, and more can be merged. I think best we discuss the article now rather than a draft which may never be submitted. Lightburst (talk) 03:10, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Since YG said July 2020, that means that there is less than 2 weeks left. Once they debut, I think that this article should RD to Treasure (band), given my rationale above. I disagree with what you said here: the draft is a much more confusing mess. In my view, the draft meets Wikipedia's quality standards much more than this article. Noting what you said earlier Many Korean language refs in there. Not my specialty and I am transferring references from there, the refs can just as well be updated (with more English sources) on the other page. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  06:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I Understand your position. I was able to use my chrome browser to translate. I guess my point is, we should determine if this boy band is notable, and then merge whatever useful information exists in those multiple drafts. My opinion is that it is a better alternative than staining the article with the scarlet letter of deletion. I experienced that just yesterday on an article that had been deleted once - reinstated and then was submitted for SD and gone, gone, gone. I will leave the rest to the AfD !voters. Cheers! Lightburst (talk) 12:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect or delete - as with previous AFD, press releases are just press releases. Let the page exist when they meet notability for music if or when they debut. Evaders99 (talk) 09:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as this page isn't needed since Treasure (band) has previously been created. As previously mentioned above there are no other notable bands named Treasure thus "(band)" should suffice in comparison to "(South Korean band)" which is highly unnecessary. The content here has multiple issues and isn't valuable enough to consider merging.Suugaapio (talk) 00:49, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep so we don't have to re-create it in a few weeks once they establish more credibility. YG is a major K-pop company and this group has already gained a lot of attention. Their YouTube channel, for example, already has 1.26M subscribers. --Dan Leveille (talk) 06:43, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't have to recreate anything. After their debut on 8/7, all we need to do is click "publish" on Draft:Treasure (band). ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  09:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


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