Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Treasure 13


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The keep camp has gone into more detail as to why WP:NBAND is met than the delete camp has in rebutting the keep claims Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:51, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Treasure 13

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We have a K-pop group here who have only released a promotional single. Doesn't meet NBAND; as for the GNG, the sourcing is from K-pop portals and various other celeb websites. Drmies (talk) 16:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 16:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Keep: As far as I’m aware the group does fit the guidelines of WP:BAND as it states: “ … may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria”. The criteria they meet are:

1) Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself 12) Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. I would have further stated:
 * A few of many sources where Treasure 13 have been the subject of multiple published works
 * They've appeared on the show YG Treasure Box where on national TV their group was officially announced (on JTBC2). News of their group as “YG’s Next Boy Group – Treasure 13” had a segment on JTBC Newsroom and on MBC FM4U (their song has also been played there).

6) Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.

But at this stage there is only one member who is independently notable (Bang Ye-dam), but I mentioned it anyways to keep note of that there is an independently notable member in the group. Continuing on, under WP:GNG it states: “If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list” - which they have (refer to citations above).

This now brings me to the second point that was mentioned that the citations on the page are “from K-pop portals and various other celeb websites” which is false as the references cite from South Korean News Websites such as: Osen, Star News, Donga, Naver and X Sports which are all reliable sources under WP:KO/RS.

Their single is officially listed under the KOMCA (can find it here - type 미쳐가네 in 저작물명 (work name) then click search for it to show up). Their album’s release has already been confirmed by the company, furthermore their reality show which has been filmed is set to air on JTBC2.

Main point is from my standpoint they fit under two of the criteria listed in WP:BAND where it states they need to meet at least one (even if one criteria is argued as void, it still leaves with one which still remains true to "at least one") plus the sources are reliable as they’re from news sites not “kpop portals” nor “celeb websites” hence no problem with WP:GNG. They have a single and upcoming releases are confirmed by the company.

I would've understood if they weren't significantly covered, or if they had absolutely zero materials released but this isn't the case.

Extra Information: I’m aware social media accounts do not prove notability but it’s just for background knowledge that they’re already established and have had quite a lot of exposure in South Korea for them to have all their accounts verified: Also as Naver People Search is a reliable source as per WP:KO/RS where only official artists are listed, you can view Treasure 13’s page here Suugaapio (talk) 06:18, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * treasure13_official - Instagram
 * Treasure 13 - YouTube
 * YG_TREASURE13 - Twitter

Keep for the following reasons above. If sources are the issue then going in to replace them are no biggie. I honestly would hate to see all the hard work that editor went to being taken away. Plus as stated above they do meet at least 2 of the guidelines to be considered notable.

Keep for further development as there will continue to be more guidelines they will fall under for notability. I’d also like to extend an invitation for other editors to take time to progress the article if possible rather than offering it up for deletion.

This is not an attack on the nominated party but rather a future suggestion. When editing anything to do with K-Pop, you can run into nasty, rude editors that tend to shut you down rather than help me improve. Please help set the standard. Ohmyfifthharmony (talk) 10:34, 25 April 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 16:09, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Soft delete - WP:TOOSOON - if the group becomes notable in the future can refund, but right now does not meet WP:BAND, no notable recordings - Epinoia (talk) 04:09, 6 May 2019 (UTC)


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