Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trelew (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Jorge Galemire.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 01:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Trelew (band)

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No citations to reliable sources for any claims of notability. Redirect to article on member who's article already covers the band was contested. Band can be adequately covered there and there is no indication that the band itself will meet notability guidelines. RadioFan (talk) 11:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC) The lack of notable citations is due to the fact that all notable articles on the group written by the Uruguayan press are not available online. There have been articles by Brecha and La Diaria that both point to the notability of the group but are unfortunately not available online. Can someone please advise on whether these should be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slaterino (talk • contribs) 15:06, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable. GregJackP (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Obviously online sources are much more helpful, as it is easier for other editors to check them, but other sources can be cited. However, I am not sure that suitable material is not available online: see my comment below. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge: Perhaps a nomination to merge would have been better than a brute redirect. As it stands, the article asserts notability. (Release of the record led to being featured in Uruguay newspapers such as Brecha, La Diaria and El Observador)  Sourcing is a problem with a solution, not a cause for deletion.  WP:ATD - BalthCat (talk) 19:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * On the contrary. If there are no sources then there is no evidence of satisfying notability under Wikipedia's policies, and it must be deleted. As for "the article asserts notability", that is irrelevant: what matters is whether notability is demonstrated, not whether it is simply asserted. This may be a confusion with speedy deletion criterion A7, where any reasonably plausible assertion of importance is enough, but deletion by an AfD is a different matter. I am not prepared yet to say either "delete" or "keep", to allow time for sources to be found, but if at the time this discussion is closed no progress has been made it will have to be a "delete": the article does not substantiate claims of notability. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:08, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Everything I have read in WP policy has shown me that sourcing is a problem which may be solved. Weak sources imply to a reasonable person that there may be reliable sources.  If there are NO sources, that's another thing...  - BalthCat (talk) 05:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (t) (c) 11:46, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Since writing the above I have found two publications which I think may be good sources, but it will need someone with a knowledge of Spanish to assess them. They are http://www.trelewmusic.com/images/press/Brecha_20091030.pdf and http://www.trelewmusic.com/images/press/ladiaria_20090922_p.07.pdf. Can anyone check them and assess whether they are useful for establishing notability? The URLs indicate that they have been put online by Trelew, which suggests they are not independent sources. However, it looks to me as though they are copies of articles from independent sources. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I also find they appear on a http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/radiowales/sites/celticheartbeat/playlists/20090124.shtml for BBC Wales. Being played on a major radio station on the other side of the world from the band's home suggests some notability. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, well maybe I can add a couple of things here. The article featured in Brecha is by Guilherme de Alencar Pinto, generally thought of as the most important music journalist in Uruguay. Ridiculously though the newspaper where he works, Brecha, has one of the worst websites in history and it's impossible to find anything he writes. He has published one book, Razones Locas, which you can find if you do an Amazon search. I understand Spanish and can say that the two articles in the large part talk about the Welsh influence of Karen Ann and the history of Jorge Galemire, and then go on to describe the songs, and so on. It's hard to pick out something that gives them notability. A translation of the last paragraph of the La Diaria article reads "A superficial look could reduce Trelew to a sympathetic experiment of adequate fusion to entertain a party celebrating San Patricio but for both those that hold in esteem the climate and melancholy of celtic music as well as the followers of Jorge Galemire - or a mixture of both, which at the end of the day is what is proposed - it is clear that this is something more, something difficult to define but easy to praise/enjoy." I think this at least shows that it is a mixture of the profile of Galemire with the form of celtic music which marks it as different to Galemire alone, and is why there is popularity in this group both in Uruguay and in celtic music fans worldwide, such as on BBC Radio Wales.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slaterino (talk • contribs) 23:12, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Merge with Jorge Galemire. Reading the article, the most notable thing about the band is that Jorge Galemire is in it.  One of the nine sentences in the article is about him and not the band at all.  No one else in the band appears to be notable so merging this info into his article with a redirect seems like the most resonable option.  Also it would benefit his article to have this info, better to have one thorough article than two stubs IMO.  As for the BBC radio info, they would have to be in the rotation (appears they played it for one day) or the subject of a 30 minute piece to satisfy WP:BAND. J04n(talk page) 14:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge with Jorge Galemire. I think J04n's arguments are good. Despite my suggestions above that there might be notability of the band, it does not really seem to have been demonstrated, but the merger would keep what information is notable. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.