Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trench Wars (zone)


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The result was   Speedily deleted by reason of G7. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 15:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Trench Wars (zone)

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I appreciate the article is "under construction", but Wikipedia is not the place for game guides, or extensive overviews of works of fiction, per WP:NOT and WP:Writing about fiction. Marasmusine (talk) 17:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. Marasmusine (talk) 17:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Unsourced game guide, not allowable per WP:NOT. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a perfect textbook example of someone trying to use Wikipedia to host a gameguide.  Wrong wiki.   coccyx bloccyx  (toccyx)  17:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I see that you want to delete it before I even write half of the article, but I'm willing to mold it so it fits policy.  The wikipedia article that links here is on an older version of the game, and I want to add a page to show the history of game during the last several years.  This game has been running on the internet for over ten years, i'm not trying to show people how to play it (re:game guide), i'm telling them about it.  I can't access the history portion of my research for a day or so, so at least let me put that up.Eganjt (talk) 19:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Also telling the reader how something is used is encyclopedic, telling how to use something is not." nowhere in the article does it tell someone how to do something, it simply defines aspects of the computer game. This is a zone that is "used" by the video game. I could understand you calling it a gameguide if I told you how to play it, but someone who's never played could have written this using the sources i provided.Eganjt (talk) 20:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe he means the vehicle descriptions. Calling one vehicle a "noob" ship and another one a bad ship to use, that's  Gameguide information and not  notable.  Also note that all that information has to be reliably sourced- this page is kind of like going on the World of Warcraft article and saying, "It is common knowledge that only newcomers to WoW play as Alliance races."  It's well-worded and it may be general consensus, however, it's only useful to people actually playing the game and it's unsourced. An article about a game is fine.  A list of zones/servers/whatever in a game is cool-ish.  An in-depth description of a specific Zone in a 1997 computer game doesn't seem like it would have a whole lot of  notability. Should be merged into the main article, but doesn't merit its own page.  Consider MapleStory.  It is a wildly popular game with only a handful of actual servers, yet none of these servers have their own articles despite being entirely different from eachother economically. ZappyGun (talk) 20:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I checked out that Maplestory article - It reads like a game guide too, only it has more information. From what everyone's saying, nothing that tells how the game is played or really anything besides "it is a game, the end" could be put in the article.  That being said, I still believe that it deserves to be mentioned somewhere if other articles like it exist.  Well nobody's backing me up so go ahead and delete it.  In looking at notability "Articles about game expansions should be treated independently. Articles about fictional elements of games should be treated as described in the notability guidelines for fiction." It's not the same thing as the article subspace (video game) that I've been talking about.  Maybe it should go into that article, but it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense since they're different subjects.  Re: fiction, it's not describing fictional plots or anything but the actual concepts in the game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eganjt (talk •

contribs) 12:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I checked out that Maplestory article - It reads like a game guide too, only it has more information. Note that the article only has a single paragraph on character classes and there is no information as to which class is 'best' or which is a 'noob' class.  The things that COULD be considered Gameguide (EG, Minigames) only explain what they are, not how they are done or the MapleStory Community's general perception of them.  Also note that it is describing the game itself, which has recieved a relatively large amount of media coverage.Also note that a "Zone" in the context of SubSpace is a server, not an expansion pack and as such should not follow the Expansion guidelines.  Since the servers are not controlled by the Developers it would be considered user-generated content and, as such, subject to much stricter consideration.  I'm not too keen on Fiction but I'm nearly certain that it refers to in-game backstory. See: Halo Universe for an example.ZappyGun (talk) 13:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, does not appear to have been the subject of independent and credible sources per WP:FICT. Reads like a game guide (e.g. ship recommendations). Suggest interested parties start a game-related Wikia. --Dhartung | Talk 19:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per TPH. Wikipedia is not an instruction manual, how-to, or guide, and certainly not a game FAQ or walkthrough. -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  19:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge as per WP:GAMEGUIDE and WP:NN. ZappyGun (talk) 19:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete author should contribute constructively to the article he says is out of date using reliable 3rd party sourcing. The other article if in need of improvement as stated above needs the author attention more than the creation of a new article that doesn't meet the criteria for notability, verifiability, etc. Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per WP:CSD. See User talk:CanadianLinuxUser. --Jaysweet (talk) 15:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


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