Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trevor Erhardt


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The result was no consensus. Editors disagree on the significance of retiring a jersey number. Since it's done by the player's own team, is it really a "well-known and significant award or honor". No agreement on that. I guess naming the team's mascot after a player falls under the same umbrella. I'm waffling between closing this as keep and NC, but here's clearly no consensus to delete, so I'm not going to worry about that too much. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:25, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Trevor Erhardt

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Subject seems to fail WP:NHOCKEY as he played 87 games in the Eishockey-Bundesliga and at least 200 is needed to pass #2. He also never played international hockey in order to pass #6. Tay87 (talk) 00:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to allow discussion of the sources provided; argument for ANYBIO#1 is unpersuasive, as it is not determined by independent actors.
 * Delete a non-notable hockey player.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:23, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, as a player whose jersey number has been retired, failing the "number of games" criteria doesn't make him non-notable. "Legendary" according to all of the first couple of news articles I could find. picture of his retired number. All-time top scorer of Frankfurt Lions for more than 20 years, 86 goals and 114 assists in 45 matches. At the very very least worth a redirect to Frankfurt Lions or Löwen Frankfurt. —Kusma (t·c) 13:49, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Doesn't he actually meet WP:NHOCKEY #3? —Kusma (t·c) 20:16, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per accomplishments in Hockey..if consensus is he does not meet WP:NHOCKEY. He definitely Passes WP:ANYBIO (a well known honor or award being his retired #27 Jersey). The Mining Gazette Trevor, is regarded as one of the all-time fan favorites in Frankfurt, Germany, hockey lore. The Calgary native played there for both Eintracht and ESC Frankfurt. His retired number 27 now hangs from the rafters in Eissporthalle Frankfurt Ice Arena. He also played for Team Canada in the 1988-89 Spengler Cup where he faced an American team in the final who were bolstered by local legend Mark Maroste. Many foreign language sources exist. Frankfurter Neue Presse, Referred to as Frankfurt ice hockey legend Trevor Erhardt. in another Franfurter Neue Presse article. There is SIGCOV, it is just in Europress. He has a German Wikipedia page as well. Wm335td (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable as discussed above. Szzuk (talk) 09:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete the retired jersey does not meet anybio #1 "the person has received a well-known and significant award or honor," as it comes from his own team and this is a tradition in a lot of clubs to honour their own players so if we follow that logic that would mean that every player in any club in any sport that has had his jersey retired would automatically meet this criteria. The criteria for a lot of sports are not very stringent and he fails as is but at the top of WP:NSPORT it states clearly The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline. and this is the acid test, he does not meet WP:GNG. --Dom from Paris (talk) 00:04, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 04:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There are some relevant points to keep, let's see if the GNG is met instead of NHOCKEY.
 * They named their mascot after him, if anybody doubts this is one of this club's most significant players. —Kusma (t·c) 12:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tone 13:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, the subject meets WP:GNG when considering the German-language sources available. Flibirigit (talk) 13:58, 7 September 2019 (UTC)


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