Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trevowhan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. There is no consensus for any particular solution after extended time for discussion, and a reasonable argument for the subject having at some point been a distinct geographical location. BD2412 T 04:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Trevowhan

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No evidence of notability. Cited only to "Ordnance Survey get-a-map SW4073635469" but WP:NGEO says "This guideline specifically excludes maps and census tables from consideration when establishing topic notability, because these sources often establish little except the existence of the subject." Apparently you can stay there on vacation but that's not notable. Reywas92Talk 17:41, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Reywas92Talk 17:41, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Reywas92Talk 17:41, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep A hamlet, a populated place that passes WP:GEOLAND as I stated here. The current state of sourcing in the article is irrelevant.Pontificalibus 17:51, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As Rusf10 notes, hamlet is a vague term that can just be a synonym for a homestead or farm, home to just a landowner and workers. "Legal recognition" is also vague but this isn't a town or village as geoland implies – I think a good WP:PRESERVE would be a merge to the civil parish of Morvah that it's in. Reywas92Talk 19:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * DeleteFarms certainly do not auto-pass WP:GEOLAND. Even if it was a hamlet as claimed, this does not change anything as it would fall under "Populated places without legal recognition" which do not get auto-notability either. Also according to Hamlet (place), a hamlet in the UK could be nothing more than a house.--Rusf10 (talk) 18:24, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It obviously consists of more than one house in the present day, if anyone would think of looking around, so it's no surprise that sources claim it is a hamlet and/or village.Pontificalibus 07:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Morvah. It's mentioned as a hamlet back in 1745. As such, I wouldn't classify this as a populated place under GEOLAND#1, but an informal populated place under GEOLAND#2. As such, there is not enough known info to meet GNG or develop and article. It should be mentioned in the article on the recognized populated place in which it is located. MB 02:22, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Examples of "Populated places without legal recognition" are given as "subdivisions, business parks, housing developments, informal regions of a state, unofficial neighborhoods", which clearly is not intended to encompass discrete named settlements with hundreds of years of history of occupation.Pontificalibus 07:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I equate "hamlet" with "informal region"; legally recognized means some formal legal standing, like having a local administration (government). A village usually has a governing body. But a hamlet is just a small grouping of houses. MB 20:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That's an unusual interpretation of "legally recognized". Normally it means "recognized in law", the test being a notional court case where a judge is asked whether this is a populated place in its own right, or merely a part of some other place. If the GEOLAND guidelines intended that notability required a local administration then they would state that (I would note that with the advent of unitary authorities of England there are even large cities in England that lack their own administration). Hamlets have long been recognised in common law as populated places in their own right, for example here where unlike villages they are not required to repair highways.---Pontificalibus 07:35, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Consensus has not yet been reached between the Merge and Keep votes
 * Keep - It was and is an actual and distinctive population population center and as such this falls under GEOLAND. That it's since been technically absorbed into the modern municipality of Movrah doesn't negate that. Oakshade (talk) 02:37, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems pretty clear from the sources and a quick search on Google Books that this is a place that is distinct from Morvah. Iffy on a merge, but absolutely not a delete. SportingFlyer  T · C  13:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The OS classifies it as a settlement but the consensus appears that being an OS settlement isn't enough so if its not deemed notable then redirecting to Morvah seems reasonable as its CP.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 11:00, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:02, 10 January 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge and redirect to Morvah. What I'm working with is in WP:GEOLAND: "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low."  Key word being legally recognized.  The problem is that there doesn't seem to be a case for legal recognition, which means it falls under WP:GNG - and I'm afraid I'm not seeing enough to allow the article to stand on its own, but the content seems to be mergable into the root article for Morvah.  -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 21:20, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   22:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GEOLAND criteria met Wm335td (talk) 20:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


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