Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Triangle control frame (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Tone 14:15, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Triangle control frame
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This is a difficult case. I get a fair number of GHits but it's not clear how good they are. Damning, in my eyes, is the absolute lack of any book hits. If the article is to be believed, this is an extremely basic and important component of hang gliders; it is simply beyond belief that no book discusses it. Mangoe (talk) 00:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete. A scan of the article leaves me holding my nose at the smell of WP:SYNTH. Appears that the author said "hang gliders often have this triangle part of their structure, it must be something important" and ran from there. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:11, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - an extremely long and very badly written and referenced article with very few real refs cited and a lot of text that appears to be at best a WP:SYNTHESIS of what few real refs there are, trying to stretch facts to fit the subject or just made up. The parts about Lilienthal's gliders having a triangle control frame, including diagrams that are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole when it seems to be clearly not the case, are especially worrisome. The topic is worth mentioning in Wikipedia, but should just be a paragraph in the Hang gliding article and not a stand-alone article. - Ahunt (talk) 12:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


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 * Delete cant really add to previous summary but it only looks like its worth a passing mention in Hang gliding. MilborneOne (talk) 12:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete SYNTH out-and-out, when the first "reference" is to a question asked in the correspondance pages of Flight about monoplane stability and neither of the words triangle or frame appeared then you know something is not right. GraemeLeggett (talk) 13:32, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - TCF is only used by Joefaust. All hits at google referring to websites from him or forums where he had posted and I don't found an independent source for the term or acronym. I searched a popular hanggliding forum (hanggliding.org) for the term TCF and found no post which was not from Joefaust. If that was a commonly used term in hang gliding someone should expect a frequent use of it, but - wrong! 93.104.28.217 (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: the portions I looked at were either incomprehensible or felt like original research. --Carnildo (talk) 23:58, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete the control frame of a hang glider may be worth breaking out as an article, and probably deserves a longer mention in the article on the subject, but this is simply incomprehensible and doesnt show any clear sign that its not pure original research. see also Category:Deaths by paragliding, Category:Deaths by hang gliding, Hang gliding fatalities involving hang gliders with TCF, Paragliding fatalities, notability unclear.76.234.122.2 (talk) 04:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - There seems to be too much original and synthesised research. Also, it this kind of thing were to be notable, I would expect to it discussed in books. As it is, one source I found mentions a "triangle-shaped control frame"; the use of language suggests that the frame has no official or commonly used name, and the writer is making one up for demonstrative purposes. Thus, a 'Triangle Control Frame' does not seem to exist as a commonly held concept, but just a way of describing a frame. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 16:49, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
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